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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251951 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > > Can't that be helped with some of live preview options for a pdf or ps > > > > or latex format? Auctex maybe? Or maybe some of org -> pdf/ps + DocView? > > > > > > It would probably take half a minute each time. > > > I think you made a typo here, it should have been "half a second" > > probably. > > That would be an amazing typo. I expect starting these various > programs to take a long time. But if it doesn't, they might > be adequate. I don't know what kind of computer you use, of course, but if you ment the startup time for a browser, then maybe it is a half second or so, but does it matter? It happends once, when one start to work on a pamflet. LibreOffice takes also a half a second if not more to startup every time and I have quite decent machine. If you start a Chromium process, and then connect from within Emacs with impatient-mode, I don't think you would suffer from lack of real time performance; not for something like a pamflet. Another option is to use some webkit wrap + xwidgets, but I haven't tryed it myself. No idea how easy to use or good it is, but for preview it should probably be good enough. I have seen some Reddit threads and YT videos where people demonstrated it, but I didn't care to try myself. Here is some 4 year old video where a guy is demonstrating xwidgets and webkit to render html in gnus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2YdjpWJJHs (download with youtube-dl to skip proprietary js) Very nice presentation by the way. With HTML+CSS as intermediate file format, one can have some predefined templates with a pamflet size, layout, typografi etc, and then just edit content of few html tags.