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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255877 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > I'm=20 > > almost always wary of giants or grand reinventions of things. > > For the "base" Emacs experience that is, in their setups people=20 > > can use all the ivys, dooms, helms and magits they want. > I understand your sentiment, but then, you could say this for any > feature, inclusive fido-mode or icomplete or even find-file. > > I don't think you can. It's because of their simplicity that they=20 > are much better integrated into Emacs's infrastructure. Just add few more thoughts: I don't think it is bc of simplicity, but because they incorporate functionality that wasn's present when Helm/Ivy were written.