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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255887 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> Easy-mode as opposed to expert, obviously. ;) >> Starter-mode >> Familiar-mode >> Familiar-defaults-easy-start-mode? ;) > > > newbie-mode > ___________ > > Someone who's a newbie and sees "Newbie" > can think (at least) two things: > > 1. It's easy, intended for newbies, so maybe > it's for me, at least for now. > > 2. Maybe it's something I might want to grow > out of. It's maybe not the "real" or "full" > thing. There's more to Emacs than this mode. > > #1 can encourage a newbie, especially if timid, > to try it. > > #2 can encourage someone to move beyond it, and > discover and use more of Emacs. > > The Emacs Wiki has long had pages that aimed > especially at newbies, and referred to as such. > They've helped a lot of people, and I've never > seen a negative reaction to use of the term > "newbie". > > This is like "training wheels" for someone > learning to ride a bike. You trust them, use > them to help you get going, but you want to > get to a point where you can really ride > without them. And then you will see threads on Reddit & elswhere asking when it is appropriate to switch to "true Emacs mode"; should I learn this and then switch to Emacs original etc; just as there already are such threads considerinv Evil & Emacs interaction models. Newbie-mode and numacs are bad names, in my opinion.