From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
ak@akirakyle.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: Rethinking the design of xwidgets
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:25:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB45269D70B0F46020EFE33CB7961C0@VI1PR06MB4526.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kV5xa-0000zD-Jh@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:42:50 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
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>
> > So I really don't know what is sustainability in refusing to use newer
> > CPUs?
>
> I agree that is a problem. But we can't win by surrendering.
I agree with you that surrender is not an option! And I admire your
effort to eat "your own dog food"; I am not that disciplined as you are,
my computer has nvidia card in it; rest is free.
But we have to choose a fight wisely. Obviously, we can't win fight to
convince the world not to buy latest CPUs (even AMD seems to have a
version of this), nor the lastest GPUs. Nvidia even publicly apologized
for not being able to produce many enough of their expensive 3080s. I
can't even afford one, even if I wanted :D.
> I am hoping that the various efforts to make newer, freer computers
> will fix this before too late.
Oh, you were to optimistic about people! Convinience and greed are
mighty drivers, we should never under estimate those. :-) I don't know,
I am half-joking about, but humans do tend to choose the path of lesser
friction and worse evil. Probably are many more aware of the problem,
but they simply choose between "lesser" evil: the power of new
technology to solve the real-life problems, vs the problem of this
techonology to control them. I think the problem is underestimated by
many unfortuantely. Yuval Noah Harari has many correct ones about the
technology and future.
> However, could we please move this discussion off emacs-devel?
> It's not on topic here.
Of course, I appologize!
I realized that you are completely correct just like few
hours later. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Jean-Lous already moved it
to tangents.
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Thread overview: 224+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-12 20:58 Rethinking the design of xwidgets Akira Kyle
2020-10-12 22:18 ` joakim
2020-10-13 16:07 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 19:06 ` joakim
2020-10-14 0:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-13 16:09 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:05 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 17:24 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 18:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:44 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:52 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 19:55 ` arthur miller
2020-10-13 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 21:00 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 0:35 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 3:35 ` arthur miller
2020-10-15 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 15:20 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 18:42 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-10-13 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:37 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 15:04 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 13:20 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-17 4:26 ` Kai Ma
2020-10-17 4:42 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-11-14 5:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 18:56 ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-15 12:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 16:25 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 12:35 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:03 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 18:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17 6:30 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-17 13:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 19:15 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 9:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 12:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 13:43 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:47 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 12:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20 13:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21 4:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-21 12:25 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-10-21 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 5:56 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 10:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-20 13:49 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 20:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 23:25 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-10-21 8:10 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-21 11:59 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21 12:58 ` Hardware respecting your freedom Jean Louis
2020-10-22 2:53 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-22 7:08 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-23 3:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-23 12:53 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-23 15:15 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-24 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-24 6:02 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-24 15:00 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-25 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-21 4:46 ` Rethinking the design of xwidgets Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:34 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 14:41 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 3:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-14 18:07 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:10 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:36 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 18:38 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 21:20 ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-14 0:12 ` Corwin Brust
2020-10-14 19:16 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 7:32 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:35 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 19:22 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 21:29 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 19:24 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14 21:46 ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 5:17 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 6:36 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 3:35 ` Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets) Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 12:01 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:04 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:18 ` tomas
2020-11-22 12:57 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 16:24 ` tomas
2020-11-22 17:18 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 17:48 ` tomas
2020-11-22 18:40 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:58 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 20:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 20:38 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 15:27 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-22 12:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 18:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-22 18:46 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 21:20 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-11-22 22:04 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:29 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 18:53 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:35 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 20:26 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 0:46 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23 3:44 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 3:01 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23 3:47 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 16:29 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-11-23 9:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 13:26 ` joakim
2020-11-24 6:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 14:59 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-23 23:47 ` Alan Third
2020-11-24 3:58 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24 8:06 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 5:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24 6:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-26 4:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-26 5:25 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26 8:27 ` tomas
2020-11-26 14:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26 19:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-26 19:34 ` arthur miller
2020-11-27 8:04 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-27 8:44 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-27 19:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 21:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 21:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 23:23 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28 0:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28 8:48 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:22 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 5:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-28 8:50 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29 5:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24 7:50 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 8:47 ` tomas
2020-11-24 9:04 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25 8:46 ` tomas
2020-11-25 15:26 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25 16:15 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-24 15:43 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-25 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25 8:54 ` tomas
2020-11-24 6:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-24 3:33 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24 6:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-25 1:36 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-25 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 20:56 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 8:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-29 0:22 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29 1:29 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-29 8:22 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-29 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 3:54 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 17:03 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 18:30 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-01 7:44 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 0:24 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03 8:07 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 20:34 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-03 20:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-01 8:01 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:36 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-01 16:48 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-01 17:33 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 19:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-02 20:37 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:02 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 0:37 ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03 8:15 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:15 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 9:05 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-23 22:12 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-11-24 1:30 ` T.V Raman
2020-11-24 8:13 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24 3:51 ` Akira Kyle
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