From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CUA-theme? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255999 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Daniele Nicolodi [2020-09-17 13:08:50] wrote: > >> On 16/09/2020 15:29, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Would it make sense to define a new custom-theme (or minor-mode until >>> custom-theme can handle that) which makes Emacs's behavior match the >>> "standard" in most other applications? >> >> If I understand correctly the recent discussions, one of the main goals >> is to make Emacs more accessible to newcomers. In this respect, are we >> sure that using the "theme" concept, associated (outside the Emacs >> world) with customizing how applications looks, to configure the >> application behavior is a good idea? > > I'm not interested in the user-facing part where we decide what name to > show to the users (where we likely won't give it a name at all, instead > we'll just have a button saying "follow non-Emacs standards"). > I'm talking about the underlying technique. If it not interesting to expose to a user how the thing is implemented, then you can as well have it as a mode and not introduce yet another thing Emacs does differently. > It's easy to take a theme and then add further changes on top of it > (some of which may "undo" changes made by the theme) and it is supposed > to work reliably. Whereas enabling/disabling a minor mode which enables > `delete-selection-mode` (for example) will often misbehave in corner > cases when mixed in with enabling/disabling `delete-selection-mode`. Then it sounds like a bug somewhere and should probably be fixed?