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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251313 Archived-At: ndame writes: > there's the fact that it's a nasty combinatorics problem. Pick a version of emacs (26 vs. 27 matters, although the setups probably don't differ too much), then: > for each language you want to support, (many) > for each OS/version, (at least 3) > > There is no need to solve all variations of the problem in one step. > > There could be packages like lsp-install-python-debian, lsp-install-javascript-windows, etc. where people would capture their experience of installing lsp support for the > particular OS and language they use. And when for a language there are variants for all major OSs then those could be packaged into a single parent package like > lsp-install-python. > > The important thing is capturing the method installation for the variants which can be done separately and if they work reliably then it's not hard to put them into a > single package. > > So people should start writing small packages of their particular installation variants and share those for other to use. My personal setup is very slow, I don't care since I use emacs as server and it started on boot, but I think my setup is too opinionated. Personally I use combination of dumb-jump, lsp, additional syntax hight packages and some scripts from emacs wiki to get my C/C++ mode more usable. I don't have Java, Python etc configured, and I code very rarey lately so my needs are relatively modest.I am sure it could be done more on this front then what I have in my Emacs. I do agree with tge idea to offer smaller "setup-packages", probably as you say in Melpa, that people could just "(use-package lsp-c++-setup)" and get decent "ide-like" features that we all setup individually. Emacs package already has automatic dependency resolution if I understand correctly so one could at least in theory automaticlly pull all the stuff that is needed and configure it at least basically. I see it as interest thing to try, but I am not sure if or when I personally will or would have time to try to make something. I haven't even have time to finnish my trivial suggestion to ls-switches in dired. I will work on that one more next week though.