From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:38:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40891"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 12:39:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFb1q-000ASH-6b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:38:14 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <87v9goblka.fsf@live.com> X-TMN: [U4e6DcSKsCvWLnDLRQch36ucV/EtWo6r] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 47 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 23e56b45-6347-4f0e-c3f0-08d853e34a74 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: VE1EUR03HT089: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: GYGxBGkLQKHRQVTqk1e7xDeY/42LFIeBqTljI49hhK76XojD3cHI9mOzje/3OJYEbShrdtDarUCDmbGzlieaPs+7TXVDSJ+6yIh607qIJKPURwnrbkJ3YVMTsS8VwFa8AYb3MAW+htZOA86SQNGxNJALhSkUi3aL6qunU/LftY7dsRVoJhhpH7DFDFPL54hRZWNjDbXajllFSWyQHIdtlQ== X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: WiX2uzzRy7qbgNKl3jZWmKZxNf5Fwjdl1gFJKVDRH6Q5YbIwQ/c1SZYH/SjDOBGMZBCpWRqb2/ZfuN9Fwxvkj6kJHBBhofsECo0rmwY5/MqmSusJYAQGfQ8gm/etCTT8u7s+o0ONfH7i3QO9Z/uKDw== X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 23e56b45-6347-4f0e-c3f0-08d853e34a74 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2020 10:38:15.0080 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VE1EUR03FT053.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VE1EUR03HT089 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:187532 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > On September 8, 2020 7:26:12 AM GMT+03:00, Arthur Miller wrote: >>Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> From: Andrea Corallo >>>> Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org >>>> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 >>>> >>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>> >>> Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? >>> E.g., how is it different from the C compiler switches used to build >>> Emacs? >>Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-). >> >>Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): >> >>GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, >>cairo version 1.17.3) >> of 2020-09-07 >> >>I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page. >>I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux. Why is it less important to know >>about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, >>GTK >>and Cairo versions are not really what I care about. I have them just >>to >>get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least >>Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I >>know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet >>info >>is there. >> >>In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler >>support even though I intended (since the configure script failed >>wihout >>me noticing). >> >>I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build >>the >>version as well as features/packages built-in. I don't know what is >>essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than >>it >>is sometimes useful. > > That's a different issue. The original question was about the splash screen and > specifically about emacs-version. Sorry; wasn't careful. Personally I don't care much about at all for splash-screen, I don't even see it. I do use "about emacs-version". Since I run Emacs directly from it's source folder, I usually do C-h C-a to confirm it compiled > I see no reason whatsoever to show information > about the native compilation there, as it's a minor feature that moreover has no > effect at all until some Lisp files are compiled with it. Besides, the splash > screen is already too crowded. I have no opinion for splash-screen whatsoever; mine is disabled anyway :-). > If you are saying that the "About Emacs" display should be redesigned (to make > it look differently from the splash screen), I might agree, but then (a) please > show a more detailed proposal, and (b) such a display doesn't need the change to > be in emacs-version, it can use the other variables which divulge the details of > the build and its configuration. Ok. I'll think about, but I don't promise. > Btw, in line with the recent "let's be like other apps" trend, I suggest to look > at what other apps do in their "About" display: I have the impression that this > fashion is on its way out. I agree; I never look at those screens myself; so it is not so much about "being like other apps". To me it is usefull to quickly see compilation date of Emacs after the compile. I don't longer install Emacs in system dir (no make install); I configured my system to run Emacs directly from the "src" folder, so for me it is informational to see I have restarted newly compiled version. > Bottom line: you've effectively changed the subject, so I suggest to > do that explicitly, and start a new thread/issue. Yes sorry about that. If I get to make a proposal for new looks; I will make a suggestion thread. For the now, you can let it die :).