From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Source code, git and cvs Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:35:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87v8ee4sad.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ilae3899.fsf@gnu.org> <835y6e35iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg3q1ll9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29672"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 12:36:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMnVF-0007UU-Ox for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:36:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMnUb-0005Cb-In; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMnUa-0005CQ-8j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40141.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.141]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMnUS-0001ML-BK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:36:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689935757; x=1690194957; bh=NzhyVY1Cu0PlionI8z38uRb30otvs40OkfNCic8E3BY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=EZidCWaE+HeNpmbG83vcB+PXiYnwTB+jh/CV37CQWhilXIqfz9TYw+fa1ZkNFt78K UzgL5JXLUmeUylvr15ePgDkEa26Bpcs4dy9SEiEGo3ilXSQhOrnVbXSDsRP2JMGafV JtgRGQYi665qqoVgkZW00j5BzHFvKA1rP0pT01/ZM3xE94QHBXLMWYmTBIpYoANKLz xmsfxTLX3XP44aAVCkDO9FqVpf7odtEfkApWuvpSNyyPg7CWm2Gg/ujBnn4GpB3nOl qRpSiwjjyR/YKYU3xfQjggN7f+UyyoaS/XuUT6fwrvOle7l8gUly/a3XFEkFioM4Cd x+hGgOgLuz+Qg== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.141; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40141.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144368 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, July 21st, 2023 at 4:27 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de = wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 07:12:21PM +0000, uzibalqa wrote: >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Friday, July 21st, 2023 at 6:31 AM, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote= : > >=20 > > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 17:33:41 +0000 > > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me >=20 >=20 > [...] >=20 > > Yes, I am right, you are wrong. >=20 >=20 > Given the level of experience of you both, I guess that no, > Eli is most probably right and you, uzibalqa, are wrong. At > least in the current context. You don't know about my experience. =20 > Yes, I know that was meant as sarcasm, but ironically, it > does highlight the problem at hand and why, I, at least, have > decided to reduce my interactions with you as much as possible. >=20 > I'm not trying to change your ways, only you can, and experience > here shows that you aren't willing or able to. It's not my > prerogative to judge that. What I have seen is that commonly, the difficulties of users telling you th= is is commonly undervalued. And then times go by and people start to understa= nd. =20 =20 The claim I get that everything is properly done is a serious fallacy. The= re should be a version of emacs where do not continually add to it, but only t= o get to a point where things are well designed and capable of being handle well= by other programmers. Eli is getting in a difficult position, because the nex= t poor sod is going to suffer much more or give up keep the whole thing together. > I only come forward because I see Eli being unfairly attacked. Yes Stockton, because the message is that everything is fine as it is ! =20 > Cheers > -- > t