Re: Dvorak/Svorak in Emacs

["B. T. Raven" <nihil@nihilo.net>]

Xah Lee wrote:
> On Oct 5, 12:57 am, Johan Andersson <johan.rej...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raven, looking at those movement keys, they are almost like Xah Lee's
>> "ergonomic emacs keybindings".
>>
>> Xah Lee, looking through the dvorak lisp file you provided at your site, I
>> think that I could really dig those bindings, with a few modifications.
>> However, I was thinking about these bindings and the shell. How do you
>> survive (if you use a shell outside of Emacs) that the shell C-a, C-e almost
>> always means beginning and end of line? Of do you change them there aswell?
> 
> when you opt for something that's less conventional, such as dvorak
> layout, you trade for certain disadvantage... e.g. unable to touch-
> type at public library, inconvenient to have co-work type on your
> keyboard, some inconvenience when using some software, such as some
> gaming software that doesn't respect your OS wide layout setting, some
> inconvenience in using some hardware, such as those palm-sized mini-
> computer that comes with a hardware keyboard with qwerty printed on
> them and too small to be touch-typed even software mapped to dvorak...
> etc.

Blackberries are supposed to be thumbed anyway. Layout on such a
miniscule keyboard isn't a touch typing issue since the method will
always be essentially hunt and peck.
Of course libraries should have a Dvorak keyboard option available with
a one-click or one-keychord method of changing keyboards. In practice,
at libraries, you're typing a few search terms or short commands so that
two-fingered typing doesn't have to be endured for long.

> 
> similarly, if you adopt the ErgoEmacs Keybinding for your emacs... you
> stop using the conventional emacs keybindings for bash... either you
> spend time to tweak your keybinding system wide, or spend time to
> tweak your shell's binding... or just switch memory when in shell as
> you do between different apps or OSes. etc. For me, i just use emacs
> default keybinding when i'm in shell... but 99% of the time i run
> shell inside emacs.

In both Linux and w32 environments you have the same keyboard layout in
Emacs, shell and in all other apps. You wouldn't expect to have Emacs
keybindings outside of Emacs in either enviroment unless you explicitly
set them up as shortcut keys on a per app basis, as in Firemacs.

> 
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