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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271434 Archived-At: > All those `cl-` thingies come from `cl-lib`, so yes you need to > (require 'cl-lib) before you can use them. >=20 > And please don't require `cl-macs` since the subdivision of labor > between the different files that comprise `cl-lib` is an > internal detail subject to change. You can consider the division an internal detail, but if all someone (or some library) needs is, say, macro `cl-case' then loading just `cl-macs' at compile time can make sense. That was true many moon ago, and I don't see why it wouldn't remain true. Seems like keeping the macro defs in their own file can make sense for users as well as for Emacs dev. Why/when wouldn't that be wanted? Of course, it doesn't _hurt_ to require `cl-lib' at compile time (except that it can add unneeded stuff to the session that does the compiling). And the general case that you describe is no doubt the more common one: more users want more from `cl-lib.el' than just macro `cl-case'.