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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288512 Archived-At: (A reply for the list, not necessarily for you.) > but in the U.K. we don't have this idea that > the passive voice is worse than the active -- > I didn't learn the distinction until after > finishing a humanities degree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AEnglish_passive_voice#Differences_betw= een_US_and_British_English ___ Guidance about the active/passive choice is generally more subtle/involved than just one being considered systematically "worse than" the other. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_passive_voice#Style_advice, and that whole page, generally. For example: "Use of the passive in English varies with writing style and field. It is generally much less used than the active voice but is more prevalent in scientific writing than in other prose. Contemporary style guides discourage excessive use of the passive but appropriate use is generally accepted, for instance where the patient is the topic, the agent is unimportant (and therefore omitted), or the agent is to be=20 highlighted (and therefore placed toward the end)." And see https://www.grammarly.com/blog/passive-voice/. ___ One study of the use of passive voice in scientific writing: https://jcom.sissa.it/sites/default/files/documents/JCOM_1301_2014_A03.pdf ___ IMO it's more about avoiding a systematic or habitual overuse of the passive voice, which is not unknown to writing that's more formalistic in style. ;-) There's no formula that applies well absolutely. Neither active nor passive voice is systematically "worse than" the other. But if you have a doubt in some case, read both and see which you think is clearer. If still in doubt, it probably means you see no special reason for the passive voice there - use active.