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I think it's a mistake to speak of "moving > > point" and saying "you move point". > > > > Point is just the current cursor position. You > > move the cursor, not point. >=20 > Not in Emacs. In Emacs, commands move point, and the cursor is then > drawn to show where point is. Yes, in Emacs. In Emacs, users move the cursor, which means that point changes. You don't see point; you see the cursor. Point is a position: the position of the cursor. We're talking to users, and we should use a user point of view. That starts with the things you see and act on. What takes place under the covers to enable you to act on those things is something else. Yes, users need to know about some of those things too. But start with what's user-visible. We'll have to agree to disagree about this one, I'm afraid. I offered my suggestions; ignore them as you like.