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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "damien@cassou.me" <damien@cassou.me>,
	"larsi@gnus.org" <larsi@gnus.org>,
	"54156@debbugs.gnu.org" <54156@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#54156: [External] : bug#54156: 28.0.91; set-face-attribute with a nil FRAME doesn't change the default
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:23:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548891B14388EFA8083B76FEF33F9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83czj9povl.fsf@gnu.org>

> > I'm not sure I understand this from Eli, however:
> >
> >   The correct way to do what Damien wants (AFAIU) is this:
> >    (set-face-attribute 'region nil :background 'unspecified)
> >    (set-face-attribute 'region t :background 'unspecified)
> >   That is, one must explicitly call set-face-attribute
> >   with FRAME = t (as well as nil), and pass 'unspecified'
> >                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   (NOT nil!) as the value.  Maybe we should document that,
> >   although it is a obscure and unusual thing to do.
> >
> > My impression is that it's enough to do this:
> >
> > (set-face-attribute 'region nil :background 'unspecified)
> >
> > I'm probably not testing/checking this correctly,
> > but it seems to me that both the selected frame
> > and new (future) frames are affected by using
> > nil for the frame (and `unspecified' for the
> > face attribute value).
> 
> I'm not sure this isn't the result of the particular implementation we
> have, so I prefer to tell people to call with FRAME = t explicitly.
> After all, this is a rare use case.

But is what I said correct, that just using nil
as the frame makes both the existing frames and
future ones use `unspecified' as the face value?

That's what I think I see, and that was what OP
was after, IIUC.

IOW, is it really necessary to use two calls to
`set-face-attribute', one with nil FRAME and one
with `t' FRAME?

And using _only_ `t' doesn't set the attribute
to `unspecified' for the existing frames, right?

> > Eli, you say "This is well-documented: a color
> > must be a string or 'unspecified'."  Still, it
> > wouldn't hurt to add something to that effect in
> > the doc of `set-face-attribute' - and say what
> > the effect is of using nil (for the face color)
> > - it's tolerated (no error) but it doesn't have
> > the effect of `unspecified'.
> 
> We generally don't advertise compatibility shims for obsolete
> features, because we want people to stop using them.

Is it declared to be obsolete?  We generally do
let users know when something they use is obsolete,
e.g. with a warning.  Do we do that for this case?





  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-26 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-25 10:21 bug#54156: 28.0.91; set-face-attribute with a nil FRAME doesn't change the default Damien Cassou
2022-02-25 12:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-25 12:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-25 12:30     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-25 13:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-25 13:12         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-25 13:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-25 15:42             ` bug#54156: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-26 15:04             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-26 15:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-26 16:17                 ` bug#54156: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-26 16:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-26 17:23                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-02-26 17:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-26 22:47                         ` Drew Adams
2022-02-27  7:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-27 15:49                             ` Drew Adams
2022-02-27 13:02                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-27 16:13                   ` bug#54156: [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-02-25 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii

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