help with Elisp

help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

How can I disable the Elisp syntax helper that appears in the
echo area?

I don't even know what triggers it?

And after it pops up, the text remains even after
I move point.

Annoying!

But I see its value ... if it can just be disabled I'm happy.

GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version
1.16.0) of 2021-10-04

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Re: help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

> How can I disable the Elisp syntax helper that appears in
> the echo area?

That's `eldoc-mode', probably!

Thanks to the people at #emacs ...

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RE: [External] : help with Elisp

[Drew Adams]

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> How can I disable the Elisp syntax helper that appears in the
> echo area?
> 
> I don't even know what triggers it?
> 
> And after it pops up, the text remains even after
> I move point.
> 
> Annoying!
> 
> But I see its value ... if it can just be disabled I'm happy.

`eldoc-mode'

Yeah, it's annoying.
It used to be opt-in, now it's opt-out.

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Re: help with Elisp

[Gregory Heytings]

>
> How can I disable the Elisp syntax helper that appears in the echo area?
>
> I don't even know what triggers it?
>
> And after it pops up, the text remains even after I move point.
>
> Annoying!
>
> But I see its value ... if it can just be disabled I'm happy.
>

(eldoc-mode -1)?

Re: help with Elisp

[Óscar Fuentes]

Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> How can I disable the Elisp syntax helper that appears in the
> echo area?

M-x eldoc-mode

Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Drew Adams wrote:

> `eldoc-mode'
>
> Yeah, it's annoying.
> It used to be opt-in, now it's opt-out.

You have to do that each time?

;; (setq emacs-lisp-mode-hook nil)
(defun emacs-lisp-mode-hook-f ()
  ;; ...
  (eldoc-mode -1) )
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook #'emacs-lisp-mode-hook-f)

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Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Gregory Heytings]

>
> You have to do that each time?
>

(global-eldoc-mode -1)

Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Gregory Heytings wrote:

>> You have to do that each time?
>
> (global-eldoc-mode -1)

Great ... better.

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Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Michael Heerdegen]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> `eldoc-mode'
>
> Yeah, it's annoying.

Why again is it annoying?  Just curious.

TIA,

Michael.

Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Michael Heerdegen wrote:

>> `eldoc-mode'
>>
>> Yeah, it's annoying.
>
> Why again is it annoying? [...]

It appears without you doning anything.

Then it doesn't go away, even when you do move point.
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Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Michael Heerdegen]

Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> It appears without you doning anything.
>
> Then it doesn't go away, even when you do move point.

And it's not equally useful at the same time?  Can you keep syntax
(argument order) of thousands of Elisp functions in your head?

I could not live without it.  For the cost that it covers the -
otherwise empty - echo area.

Michael.

Re: [External] : help with Elisp

[Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Michael Heerdegen wrote:

> And it's not equally useful at the same time? Can you keep
> syntax (argument order) of thousands of Elisp functions in
> your head?

Ha! Thanks, but I don't think I use that many :)

I wonder how many I used? You could count unique words in your
Elisp source I guess, and remove comments and strings.
Would that give a good estimate?

Not that it matters ...

> I could not live without it. For the cost that it covers the
> - otherwise empty - echo area.

Yep, I see the use case for people who like it, I don't want
the computer to do or say anything unless I push
a button first.

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RE: [External] : help with Elisp

[Drew Adams]

> > `eldoc-mode'  Yeah, it's annoying.
> 
> Why again is it annoying?  Just curious.

Not important; didn't mean to exaggerate.

To me it's noise.  If I want to know what
it shows me I'll ask, and in those cases
I usually want to know more than what it
shows me.

Probably also a case of habit and not a
feeling of needing it.

I wouldn't say that it's _particularly_
noisy or annoying.  Just one user who
doesn't get much from it, I guess.