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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273896 Archived-At: > >> `C-x` for "Cut" has been standard for a lot more than a decade. > > Yes, and? >=20 > So it's not just a passing fad that may change again any time now. > [ Other than the general disappearance of keyboards, or maybe a move to > some other modifier, as in macOS ] >=20 > > Anyway, I won't argue about `C-x' (or `C-w'). >=20 > And yet you did. No, I really didn't. I spoke to the meaning of "faux amis". I'm saying nothing about `C-x', because I don't see that changing - as I said: I don't see Emacs moving `C-x' (Do you, really?) If it does, then I likely won't have a problem with that change, because the change would have to (somehow) deal with the current uses of prefix key `C-x', as well as (likely) prefix key `C-c', and key `C-v'. ___ As for how the discord between Emacs bindings for these things and those of the outside world affects me (I use lots of apps outside Emacs, including the email client I'm using now): I'm not bothered by accidentally using `C-x', `C-c', or `C-v' in Emacs when mechanically trying to cut, copy, or paste. Why? Because those keys in Emacs are benign. The first two are prefix keys, so I notice quickly enough what I did accidentally. And the third just scrolls a page. All are easy to get past. (Yes, those could well be more problematic for a new Emacs user. I'm speaking for myself here.) But where I do get a little bothered is in the other direction - when I accidentally use `M-w' (not `C-w') in an app like my email client - client that tries to forward the email I'm writing.