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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	"xenodasein@tutanota.de" <xenodasein@tutanota.de>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Have Customize always use `custom-file`
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 16:15:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54887DAD8500A0921CD90CF1F3499@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)

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> > >>>> Customize should not write to your init file ...
> > >>>> That's a bad Emacs design choice, IMO.
> > >>>> It especially should not be the default behavior.
> >
> > I'd prefer the current behavior TBH, because the real
> > issue is not where it is written, it is when it's read.
> 
> No.  The real issue is who is writing it, and where.
> 
> Users can control the location of `custom-file'
> and when it's read.
> 
> And we can provide a default location and time
> of reading.
> 
> > Currently it is easy to place custom-set-variables
> > where you want either inside init file or to place it into another
> > file.
> 
> That would of course still be the case.  Nothing
> prevents you from doing anything in your init or
> another file - including calling custom* functions.
> 
> > Timing is important,
> 
> It's absolutely important, and needs to remain
> under user control.
> 
> > because Customize also has problems with
> > autoloads, and who knows what else.
> 
> Dunno what problems you envision - please be
> specific.
> 
> The only real change is to prevent Customize
> from writing to your init file.  Nothing else.

             reply	other threads:[~2022-01-03 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-03 16:15 Drew Adams [this message]
2022-01-03 16:20 ` Have Customize always use `custom-file` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:28   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-01-03 17:02     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-04  1:00       ` Po Lu
2022-01-04  9:41         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-04  9:48           ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 10:29             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-04 10:33               ` Po Lu
2022-01-04 10:44                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-04 10:53                   ` Po Lu
2022-01-05  3:54               ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-05  5:35                 ` tomas
2022-01-06  3:57                   ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-01-03 17:55 Drew Adams
2022-01-03 18:31 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-03 16:13 Drew Adams

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