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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272729 Archived-At: > If the user can modify it then it needs to be a customize. The users > shouldn't modify normal variables as they are intended to be for > internal uses only. Wrong. The whole idea or "internal only" is inappropriate for free software, IMHO. All it can mean is that you might not want to modify XYZ because at some point Emacs dev might change the code so that your code that uses that modification no longer does what you wrote it to do. It's a head-up, to save you trouble dealing with possible code changes. Any more limiting interpretation of it is misguided, IMO. User options and faces (the things we provide Customize for) are _conveniences_. Customize exists for a reason, and that reason is not to imprison users in a corral of only some variables. (Just one opinion.)