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When I try out a new package I often > use customize-group to get an overview of things I can tweak > in it, and it's a pain to click More on all the options and > to open them. >=20 > bug#15748 "Provide a way to hide/show all values" is for > this,=20 +1. Yes. > but I'm now thinking that something like outline-cycle > would be great in any customize buffer. Let S-TAB cycle > through the various states of all options at once. Fine. But: 1. There should also be a simple visual affordance (e.g., button or some indication of a key to hit). Customize is also (but not only) for new users, who won't necessarily know about such a cycling key. 2. Unfortunately, Emacs decided to follow the outside convention that S-TAB has the same behavior as TAB, except that it cycles backward. This wasn't a good idea, IMO, but it was done, so another key would be needed for your cycling behavior.