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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Daniel Fleischer <danflscr@gmail.com>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:38:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54881D7E6E4392A27DF2FA7EF36B9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <835ys47pzx.fsf@gnu.org>

> > > I'm again asking what _you_ look to, as evidence
> > > that installing & deleting packages is something
> > > that first-timers really need, as part of our
> > > learn-by-doing tutorial.
> >
> > I feel like that's not fair. In the short time I've been here I was able
> > to see features being implemented which were NOT backed up by any
> > external data or polls (discussions here are not included). Moreover,
> > some updates were motivated by individual bug reports which is a sample
> > of one.
> 
> Drew doesn't speak for the Emacs project, so don't be surprised when
> his views contradict the project's practices and decision-making
> process.  He (consistently) opposes those as well.

Here we go again, with another of Eli's knee-jerk
ad hominem attacks.

Asking for reasons for making a proposed change
is not a contradiction of the Emacs project's
practices or decision-making process.  And no,
Drew does not oppose those, consistently or
otherwise.

Progress is not incompatible with disagreeing
about a given decision or proposal.

And discussing reasons & counter-reasons that
back up arguments and proposals, is no threat
to progress.  Quite the opposite.

Appeal to authority as an argument is weak,
even if sometimes legitimate.  When it's the
only reason given, that's sad.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-04 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-01 17:30 [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-01 18:06 ` Daniel Martín
2021-12-01 19:25   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-01 19:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-02  6:42   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-02  9:09   ` Juri Linkov
2021-12-02 11:17     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03  6:57       ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-03 16:29         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-03 17:48           ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-03 18:53             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 18:56               ` Drew Adams
2021-12-03 18:53             ` Drew Adams
2021-12-03 19:24               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 20:24                 ` Drew Adams
2021-12-03 22:54                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-03 21:19               ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-03 23:01                 ` Drew Adams
2021-12-04  8:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 11:04                   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-04 18:16                     ` Drew Adams
2021-12-04 21:06                       ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-04 17:38                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-12-04  5:44               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-04  8:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 17:20                   ` Drew Adams
2021-12-04 17:18                 ` Drew Adams
2021-12-03 17:00         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-04 13:08           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-04 14:15             ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-04 16:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-04 20:38                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-04 21:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05  9:37                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-05 20:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-05 10:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-05 10:54                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-05 11:44                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-05 15:33                         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-06 10:36                           ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-12-06 14:10                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-05 11:29                     ` Stefan Kangas

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