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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	"help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Closures - do you understand them well?
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:56:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548805745254E4726B444D0AF31D9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cz8t7qh5.fsf@web.de>

> But yes, like explicitly specifying a nil binding (X nil) instead of (X)
> this is bout readability and personal preferences.  (X '()) is my
> hint to the reader that X will be used as a list type accumulator in the
> BODY.  I prefer that over (X ()), (X nil) and (X).  It's a stylistic
> habit.
> 
> Why?  Because I want to make clear that the variable is initialized with
> an empty list, compared to what the evaluation of an empty list aka nil
> returns (which accidentally happens to be the same again in Lisp).

I have _exactly_ the same concern as you:
human-reader readability (and in most cases
that's me).

I use (let ((xs    ())
            (foop  nil)
            (bar   nil)
            (yy))

to tell me that:

1. xs and foop are bound initially.
   yy gets its meaningful value only from
   the `let' body - its initial nil value
   is (should be) meaningless/ignored.

2. xs has a list value (at least initially).
   IOW, I use () for the same reason you use
   '().

3. foop and bar have non-(non-nil) values
   (at least initially).

4. foop is used as a Boolean (true/false).

   bar is likely not used just as a Boolean.
   (bar might have several possible values,
   where nil might mean some base case,
   which could, but need not, mean false.

Wrt #4: I use the suffix code convention
"p"/"-p"  for variable names, as well as for
function names.  I find this _very_ helpful.
Throughout the body, I'm reminded that foop
is Boolean.
___

You say, "which accidentally happens to be
the same again in Lisp".  To me it's not an
accident; it's by design.  It's arguable,
and it's been argued, but to me this design
is (1) clever/elegant and (2) _very_ handy.
Is #1 important?  Maybe not, but to me it's
lovely.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-08 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-08 15:36 Closures - do you understand them well? Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 16:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-08 17:30   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 17:56     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-12-08 18:00       ` Drew Adams
2022-12-08 18:49       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 19:35         ` Drew Adams
2022-12-10  4:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 19:45         ` Drew Adams
2022-12-08 19:06 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-08 19:53   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 20:01     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-08 20:49       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 22:00         ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-08 22:25           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-08 22:51             ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10  2:34               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09  5:03             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-12-10  2:35               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10  2:29             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 16:56               ` Drew Adams
2022-12-15  8:25                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09  4:49           ` tomas
2022-12-09 19:40             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 19:50               ` tomas
2022-12-09 20:55               ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-09 21:21                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 21:31                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 21:23                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 11:40                   ` tomas
2022-12-12  1:18                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-12  5:16                       ` tomas
2022-12-12  6:09                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-18 12:13                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:21                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-27 20:24                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-28  0:44                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-26 12:45                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-02-27  8:33                                     ` tomas
2023-02-28 10:13                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-01 20:42                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-03 12:09                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 11:08                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 18:25                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-02 20:48                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-03  6:56                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-03 12:19                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 18:37                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-02 18:50                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-18 12:11                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-22  4:00                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-23  6:27                       ` tomas
2023-01-18 12:23                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10  4:46                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10  0:12               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-10  9:34                 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-10 10:02                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 16:28                   ` Mutation - do you understand it really? (was: Closures - do you understand them well?) Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10 18:29                     ` Mutation - do you understand it really? Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-18 10:58                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:59                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-19 17:47                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-11  2:24                   ` Closures - do you understand them well? Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-11  9:13                     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-10  2:26           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 17:20             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-10 18:02               ` Iteration macros (was: [External] : Re: Closures - do you understand them well?) Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10 20:38                 ` Drew Adams
2023-01-18 11:10                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-18 11:08                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-21 23:53               ` [External] : Re: Closures - do you understand them well? Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09  3:43         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09  4:01           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09  4:38             ` tomas
2022-12-09  5:37               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 16:55                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-10  4:52             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 19:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-12-08 20:11   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 20:53   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 23:25     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 16:50       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-12-09 18:48         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 19:25         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-11 18:42           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-01-18 12:08             ` Emanuel Berg

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