From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
"help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Closures - do you understand them well?
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:56:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548805745254E4726B444D0AF31D9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87cz8t7qh5.fsf@web.de>
> But yes, like explicitly specifying a nil binding (X nil) instead of (X)
> this is bout readability and personal preferences. (X '()) is my
> hint to the reader that X will be used as a list type accumulator in the
> BODY. I prefer that over (X ()), (X nil) and (X). It's a stylistic
> habit.
>
> Why? Because I want to make clear that the variable is initialized with
> an empty list, compared to what the evaluation of an empty list aka nil
> returns (which accidentally happens to be the same again in Lisp).
I have _exactly_ the same concern as you:
human-reader readability (and in most cases
that's me).
I use (let ((xs ())
(foop nil)
(bar nil)
(yy))
to tell me that:
1. xs and foop are bound initially.
yy gets its meaningful value only from
the `let' body - its initial nil value
is (should be) meaningless/ignored.
2. xs has a list value (at least initially).
IOW, I use () for the same reason you use
'().
3. foop and bar have non-(non-nil) values
(at least initially).
4. foop is used as a Boolean (true/false).
bar is likely not used just as a Boolean.
(bar might have several possible values,
where nil might mean some base case,
which could, but need not, mean false.
Wrt #4: I use the suffix code convention
"p"/"-p" for variable names, as well as for
function names. I find this _very_ helpful.
Throughout the body, I'm reminded that foop
is Boolean.
___
You say, "which accidentally happens to be
the same again in Lisp". To me it's not an
accident; it's by design. It's arguable,
and it's been argued, but to me this design
is (1) clever/elegant and (2) _very_ handy.
Is #1 important? Maybe not, but to me it's
lovely.
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2022-12-08 15:36 Closures - do you understand them well? Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 16:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-08 17:30 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 17:56 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2022-12-08 18:00 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-08 18:49 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 19:35 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-10 4:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 19:45 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-08 19:06 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-08 19:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-08 20:49 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 22:00 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-08 22:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-08 22:51 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10 2:34 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 5:03 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-12-10 2:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 2:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 16:56 ` Drew Adams
2022-12-15 8:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 4:49 ` tomas
2022-12-09 19:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 19:50 ` tomas
2022-12-09 20:55 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-09 21:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 21:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 21:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 11:40 ` tomas
2022-12-12 1:18 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-12 5:16 ` tomas
2022-12-12 6:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-18 12:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:21 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-27 20:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-28 0:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-02-26 12:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-02-27 8:33 ` tomas
2023-02-28 10:13 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-01 20:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-03 12:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 11:08 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 18:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-02 20:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-03 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-03 12:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-02 18:37 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-02 18:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-18 12:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-22 4:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-23 6:27 ` tomas
2023-01-18 12:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 4:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 0:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-10 9:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-10 10:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 16:28 ` Mutation - do you understand it really? (was: Closures - do you understand them well?) Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10 18:29 ` Mutation - do you understand it really? Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-18 10:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-19 17:47 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-11 2:24 ` Closures - do you understand them well? Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-11 9:13 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-12-10 2:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-10 17:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-10 18:02 ` Iteration macros (was: [External] : Re: Closures - do you understand them well?) Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-12-10 20:38 ` Drew Adams
2023-01-18 11:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-18 11:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-21 23:53 ` [External] : Re: Closures - do you understand them well? Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 3:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 4:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 4:38 ` tomas
2022-12-09 5:37 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 16:55 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-10 4:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 19:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-12-08 20:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-08 20:53 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-08 23:25 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-09 16:50 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-12-09 18:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-12-09 19:25 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-12-11 18:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2023-01-18 12:08 ` Emanuel Berg
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