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You have no >> > disadvantages to fear when using that code with the new >> > Emacs version. The compiler warnings just have been >> > improved, there are more checks. >> >> No kidding, but there should be a clear line what warnings are >> considered unimportant and maybe people don't care to get rid >> of them. > > None of them is unimportant! > > I just think all the problems are not new in the OPs init file, they > just had not being discovered until now (and there were the obsoletion > warnings). So using the old Emacs version is as good as using a master > build and ignore the warnings (for now) - that's what I wanted to say. My init file seems to not have a problem in Emacs 27.1. I have not investigated all of what's happening in 30.0.50, but it's probably changes that haven't been rolled into the versions of packages I have in ~/.emacs.d/elpa yet. The thing that bothered me was getting warnings at regular intervals from Hyperbole, but I haven't checked why. Probably a background timer of some sort. >> Warnings should only be when there is a WARNING not trying to >> enforce some convention or habit for no real practical reason, >> also bugs are often introduced when fixing bugs, so one >> shouldn't "overfix" them. > > From participating in emacs-dev I can tell that this is not happening. The deprecation warnings are important in telling the user to keep an eye for a new version of a package (ie. run package-update from time to time), but should be something you can turn off after you've seen it. -- David Masterson