From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: use-package :after ??
Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 13:30:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR03MB54555B8055FA5D7D5773AF94A27E9@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mt23xjya.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 May 2023 14:42:53 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 13:44:25 -0700
>>
>> > :after cannot force loading the parents, AFAIU. I don't understand
>> > why you think it should (or could).
>>
>> The :after(s) say there is a relationship between a, b, and c --
>> presumably, in the user's setup, a won't be used without b (same w/
>> b->c).
>
> No, :after says that a will be loaded immediately after b, and _only_
> if b is loaded. If b is never loaded, neither will a.
So, you're saying, if (via :bind) I call a-mode before a and b have been
loaded (but their autoloads are setup), b will not be loaded and,
therefore, neither will a (because of :after) causing the call to a-mode
via the :bind to fail? :bind is one of the triggers to autoload the
package (a in this case), so this would be unexpected.
In your mind, what is the use-case for :after? If there is a
requirement that a must have b, you would expect a to require b
internally (no need for after). If it is a user desire that, when he
uses a, he will also want b, then, if b is not loaded by the :after, the
user would have to use :config to require b defeating the need for
:after.
Am I missing something?!? I wish I could put all of this discussion in
a set of test cases to run through Emacs. Would ERT be the tool for
that (never used it)?
--
David Masterson
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-17 20:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-08 0:05 use-package :after ?? David Masterson
2023-05-08 2:44 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-08 4:05 ` David Masterson
2023-05-08 4:25 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-08 5:20 ` David Masterson
2023-05-08 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 23:56 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 3:24 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-11 21:24 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 1:18 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-12 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-05-12 5:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:54 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 6:03 ` David Masterson
2023-05-15 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 22:19 ` David Masterson
2023-05-16 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87pm72m8rc.fsf@penguin>
2023-05-15 6:16 ` David Masterson
2023-05-15 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 22:27 ` David Masterson
2023-05-16 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-16 20:44 ` David Masterson
2023-05-17 1:40 ` David Masterson
2023-05-17 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-17 20:30 ` David Masterson [this message]
2023-05-18 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-18 12:41 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-05-19 2:40 ` David Masterson
2023-05-19 3:03 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-11 22:04 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-05-12 6:56 ` David Masterson
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