From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: use-package :after ??
Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 13:44:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR03MB545520C8C1825052314DD552A2799@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ilcsz1ti.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 May 2023 19:19:21 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 15:27:53 -0700
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> >> Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 23:16:52 -0700
>> >>
>> >> If a, b, and c were all ':defer t' and a had ':bind ("C-." . b-mode)'
>> >> and I later hit that key, that would load c, then b, then a -- right?
>> >
>> > No, based on my reading of the docs I think it will cause an error
>> > (because b cannot be loaded without c being loaded).
>>
>> D**n typo -- it should've been 'a-mode'.
>
> I don't think it matters. AFAIU, :bind doesn't load the package
> except via explicit autoloads (i.e. not via use-package machinery).
I think we're saying the same thing. The bound key will call 'a-mode
which will trigger the autoload setup by use-package because a was
deferred.
>> My question was that the :bind key would force the load of the
>> bottom of the tree and the :afters would then force loading of the
>> parent packages.
>
> :after cannot force loading the parents, AFAIU. I don't understand
> why you think it should (or could).
The :after(s) say there is a relationship between a, b, and c --
presumably, in the user's setup, a won't be used without b (same w/
b->c). Therefore, if the :after on a doesn't kick the loading of the
deferred b, then it must be assumed that a does (require 'b) (and
similar b->c) in which case is there a need for :after? Each package
would handle it internally via 'require'.
I'm assuming there is a reason for :after in the case where a, b, and c
are not directly related (ie. no internal requires), but are related
because of the user's environment. For instance, a (made up) example
might be when the user brings in (say) a specialized spell checker then
he's going to work with Org (ie. (use-package checker :after org)). In
this case, the spell checker would hook itself into Org -- Org would not
know anything else about it.
Does that make sense?
--
David Masterson
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Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-08 0:05 use-package :after ?? David Masterson
2023-05-08 2:44 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-08 4:05 ` David Masterson
2023-05-08 4:25 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-08 5:20 ` David Masterson
2023-05-08 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 23:56 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 3:24 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-11 21:24 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 1:18 ` Ruijie Yu via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2023-05-12 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-05-12 5:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:54 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 6:03 ` David Masterson
2023-05-15 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 22:19 ` David Masterson
2023-05-16 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87pm72m8rc.fsf@penguin>
2023-05-15 6:16 ` David Masterson
2023-05-15 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-15 22:27 ` David Masterson
2023-05-16 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-16 20:44 ` David Masterson [this message]
2023-05-17 1:40 ` David Masterson
2023-05-17 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-17 20:30 ` David Masterson
2023-05-18 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-18 12:41 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-05-19 2:40 ` David Masterson
2023-05-19 3:03 ` David Masterson
2023-05-11 5:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-11 22:04 ` David Masterson
2023-05-12 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-05-12 6:56 ` David Masterson
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