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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=userp2120.oracle.com X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128048 Archived-At: > I agree with Drew that the solution you propose is not user-friendly, Huh? AFAIK, I've said nothing about what you guys seem to be talking about now. Please cite what you think I said about this, if you're going to make references to what I've said. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else, wrt this point? There are so many messages, and the subject seems to careen wildly without the Subject line changing, that I, at least, have trouble following (especially since much of what's said doesn't hold much interest for me). > because querying a user who doesn't yet know how > a package works and what its commands are to bind > some commands they do not yet know to a key is > confusing. That's true, in general, though a query/prompt can make things clear. It can even pop up doc etc. to make things clear. I'm not saying anything about how appropriate such querying might be. It might be inefficient, inappropriate, or even downright annoying. I, for one, think that users are well served by taking the initiative to read something about a package, command, or whatever before starting to load or use it. That's just my advice. In the "old days" user read the Commentary in a library before using it. And wise users even looked at the code, at least as a sanity check. Nowadays, I get the impression that many users just load a package and give it a try, with no regard to help/doc the author has provided, and no concern or curiosity about the code (what it does, how it does it, security, etc.). > What users would most likely do is to answer > "yes" everywhere without thinking further. Yup. Laziness, mostly, I guess. Or blind faith, perhaps.