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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 18:30:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB4474FEFD8955E6032BC614ABF3899@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <663841c0e3fb003a733c@heytings.org>

> I agree with Drew that the solution you propose is not user-friendly,

Huh?  AFAIK, I've said nothing about what you guys
seem to be talking about now.  Please cite what
you think I said about this, if you're going to
make references to what I've said.

Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else,
wrt this point?  There are so many messages, and
the subject seems to careen wildly without the
Subject line changing, that I, at least, have
trouble following (especially since much of
what's said doesn't hold much interest for me).

> because querying a user who doesn't yet know how
> a package works and what its commands are to bind
> some commands they do not yet know to a key is
> confusing.

That's true, in general, though a query/prompt
can make things clear.  It can even pop up doc
etc. to make things clear.  I'm not saying
anything about how appropriate such querying
might be.  It might be inefficient, inappropriate,
or even downright annoying.

I, for one, think that users are well served
by taking the initiative to read something
about a package, command, or whatever before
starting to load or use it.  That's just my
advice.

In the "old days" user read the Commentary in
a library before using it.  And wise users even
looked at the code, at least as a sanity check.

Nowadays, I get the impression that many users
just load a package and give it a try, with no
regard to help/doc the author has provided, and
no concern or curiosity about the code (what it
does, how it does it, security, etc.).

> What users would most likely do is to answer
> "yes" everywhere without thinking further.

Yup.  Laziness, mostly, I guess.  Or blind
faith, perhaps.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-14 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-07 22:05 PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  0:13 ` Ergus
2021-02-08  2:57 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2021-02-08  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08  7:20   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 14:58     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-08 21:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:13         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 16:54           ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:13             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-09 17:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-09 21:21               ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 21:43                 ` Bindings for setting faces (was: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-02-09 18:37             ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Stefan Monnier
2021-02-08 22:45       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-08 15:45     ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 23:01       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-09  3:20         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-09  9:13         ` Simen Heggestøyl
2021-02-09  9:30         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-09 13:01           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:00     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  6:03     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-08 12:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08  4:52 ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-08  8:41   ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-08 17:07     ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-02-11 12:59     ` Arthur Miller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09  7:42     ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-09  8:23       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 23:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09  8:23     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 12:42 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 14:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 17:59 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 22:40   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-02-09 16:45     ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10  5:28       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10  9:29         ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:52             ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 10:42         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 11:35           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 12:59             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:09             ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:25               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-10 13:34               ` vc-magit mode Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-10 15:33               ` vc-magit mode (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages) Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-10 16:47                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 17:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-11 13:37           ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 14:38             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-11 15:13               ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 16:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12  8:21                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-12  8:36                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 15:11                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-13  3:26                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-10 11:07         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 13:00           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 13:59             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 14:10               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 14:51                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 15:12                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-02-10 15:23                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 16:35               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-10 16:35             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-10 17:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 13:37           ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-11 13:55             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12  9:40       ` Jean Louis
2021-02-08 20:32 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 21:00   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-08 21:37     ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-08 22:00       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 16:57       ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-09 17:19         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 17:59           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-09 18:24             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 18:19           ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 19:16             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:28               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-02-09 20:15                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 19:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-09 22:19             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-09 21:34           ` Sean Whitton
     [not found] ` <8735y56naf.fsf@posteo.net>
     [not found]   ` <8ed9b43502ae9a36b057@heytings.org>
2021-02-09 23:18     ` Philip K.
2021-02-10 11:07       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-10 23:35         ` Philip K.
2021-02-11  8:45           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 13:53             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:47               ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 15:59               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 16:20                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 17:48                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 18:34                     ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 21:15                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-11 22:48                         ` Philip K.
2021-02-12  0:01                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 10:27                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 11:59                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 13:23                                 ` Philip K.
2021-02-12 13:54                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 14:09                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 16:04                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 17:25                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 17:54                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-12 18:16                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-12 21:48                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  0:37                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13  8:33                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13  9:09                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 13:06                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 14:28                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:01                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 16:08                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 15:02                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 15:21                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:28                                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:39                                                                 ` Nothing is the list - " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 20:14                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 20:58                                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 21:18                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-13 21:32                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-13 21:37                                                                 ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) " Jean Louis
2021-02-13 23:55                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14  6:19                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14  6:33                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14  8:06                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-14 19:21                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:44                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-02-15  0:33                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:59                                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 17:59                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:14                                                                       ` libraries (was: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 18:23                                                                       ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key (why only one?) and reserve it for third-party packages Philip Kaludercic
2021-02-14 21:37                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-15  0:28                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-15  5:02                                                                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-15 11:08                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-17  9:07                                                                               ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-20 17:50                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 18:30                                                                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-02-14 18:50                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-14 19:24                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 19:41                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-14 23:30                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-13 10:05                                                     ` PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key " Jean Louis
2021-02-13  8:24                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 12:44                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 14:26                                                     ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:09                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:24                                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:38                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-02-13 15:45                                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12  4:45                           ` Robert Thorpe
2021-02-12  9:58                             ` Philip K.
2021-02-11 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:58             ` Drew Adams
2021-02-11 16:59             ` Leo Butler

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