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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Which Elisp types are mutable?
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 20:39:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB4474C338EC51B09FE2B67C46F31C9@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210705201253.GF6395@tuxteam.de>

> Hm. If you change a variable's value... does that count
> as "mutating the symbol"? If you change the binding (e.g.
> by entering another scope or by leaving it)?

(Changing a symbol's binding, with `let' etc.
is more complicated.  I mentioned global value.)

If you look at a Lisp symbol as being an object
with properties, then yes; changing its variable
value changes the object - its mutable state.

There's nothing very special involved here.  It's
just that people unused to Lisp won't necessarily
think that a symbol is a complex thing, and that
it "owns" its value as a variable (and its value
as a function, which for a Lisp-2 is separate).

The symbol is not its name.  In many languages
you have only to think about a name and its
binding to a value.  At a lower level you think
of a memory location (address) and the value at
that address.

In Lisp a source-code name can refer to a symbol
object.  That object itself has other things /
properties, besides a value as a variable.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-05 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-03  4:03 Which Elisp types are mutable? Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-03 12:11 ` Philipp
2021-06-05 11:22   ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-05 12:58     ` Philipp
2021-06-05 14:25       ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 18:40         ` Philipp
2021-07-05 20:19           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 20:44             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 20:58               ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 21:03                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-05 19:19       ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-05 20:17         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-05 20:36           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06  1:57             ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 18:41         ` Philipp
2021-07-05 18:48           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 18:55             ` tomas
2021-07-05 19:26               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-05 19:40                 ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:03                   ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 20:12                     ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:39                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-07-05 20:58                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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