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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263992 Archived-At: > C-t in particular is very useful and frequently-used (by me, FWIW), and > also matches the default binding in Bash, GDB CLI, and elsewhere. I don't argue that `C-t' should or must be repurposed, and I too use it. But I do think it's one candidate for that. I think there are most likely better uses for it. It, along with some other keys (I mentioned `C-o') are worth discussing, if Emacs needs more key bindings. > These data points suggest that usurping these keys > may not be easy, to say the least. Yes.