From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Running emacs without any customisation Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87y1tmmmiv.fsf@web.de> <87sfjumm07.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2441"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Michael Heerdegen , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: uzibalqa Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 18:10:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHpd-0000PA-Fc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:10:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54210 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHpb-00080V-Th for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHfH-0006PQ-1J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:55155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHfF-0007LL-CK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:59:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=2zxl7fcngncutix4cxyzriepiq.protonmail; t=1665503966; x=1665763166; bh=jTWR8MQom7nSaWmmp03m5L6w8U11CDSgZFwTGeigT7M=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=LmDalkJuDru50oK07ufnSR3yfRFGc8KF3GY1amfmKkgKxvDJVE5jMIIE12uUyr+1a muouqLo10M1NPn8iH4XbIOPckhvB/75MyX0wwOsKggonHpzYWKiQtGRqMe8X8AUCpT ZLxFzxHp6zl4BagIxHu4phqiHheWoSOdSXeuufN/zjGjWsxGmGFNC3zrYhTwEY6DY7 9M9zVwlENLRGuQ464uBmQFXh8UqrdlNBow2EjPJbEWLJG4zJDjTilAM7vh5ORIOINM uLTIFmvijvJj15Yf8wq1A5t0pPw3wovZJBWiGIVSXXloX8NuEXhZeK0jAhCapCsMv+ tLhxf9Q9UsF9g== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.18; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4318.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TO_EQ_FM_DIRECT_MX=1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139818 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, October 11th, 2022 at 3:56 PM, uzibalqa wr= ote: > ------- Original Message ------- > On Tuesday, October 11th, 2022 at 3:13 PM, Michael Heerdegen michael_heer= degen@web.de wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Michael Heerdegen michael_heerdegen@web.de writes: > >=20 > > > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: > > >=20 > > > > (custom-set-variables > > > > '(savehist-additional-variables '(xepty-frame-pos)) > > > > '(xepty-frame-pos '(34 . 34))) > > >=20 > > > Note that this can have side effects (like loading something). > >=20 > > Let me add: in theory, any kind of side effects (besides setting the > > option variable as requested). > >=20 > > It is an error in a package if loading the package has side effects oth= er > > than defining functions and variables, recursively loading other stuff, > > and these things, but not all stuff out there respects that rule. > >=20 > > That could be the case here. > >=20 > > Michael. >=20 >=20 > custom-set-variables was introduced when users set their customisations. = If there > be side effects, wouldn't it be good that emacs handles them as well if t= he init > file does not use them. I have commented out the custom-set-variables as well, but still get the d= ark background.