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From: Hugo Wolf <hwolf@deutsches.lieder.net>
Subject: Re: installing emacs and X11 on OS X
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:45:36 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Qjav9.133781$md1.27595@sccrnsc03> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.1035784882.23705.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

In article <mailman.1035784882.23705.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, Eli
Zaretskii wrote: 
> If there's a difference between these two configurations, there should be 
> a way to distinguish between them.  

There are actually three runtime gui environments in osx.
Distinguishing them is very easy -- window-system does it in a clean,
reliable and consistent way, and as an added bonus works in both
xemacs and gnuemacs.


> Doesn't system-configuration fit the 
> bill? or maybe system-configuration-options?

system-configuration has the same value for any emacs running in osx,
so it obviously can't be used to make any distinctions at
all. system-configuration-options can currently distinguish in a very
ugly way between an emacs that was _built_ with mac-windowing support
and one that wasn't but of course says nothing at all about whether or
not it's actually _running_ in that window system at any given time.

By definition, build-time options can't work as a way to discover
runtime distinctions. This or that individual runtime feature doesn't
work either. To think about it that way is to misunderstand the nature
of a gui environment.  What we're talking about here is not at the
level of "do I have color available".  It's at the level of "do I want
to follow Mac l&f".

You're obviously a very knowledgeable emacs guy and even you don't
seem to be able to find anything other than window-system that works
for this.  Doesn't that tell you something?

       reply	other threads:[~2002-10-28 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.1035784882.23705.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-28 12:45 ` Hugo Wolf [this message]
2002-10-28 18:18   ` installing emacs and X11 on OS X Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1035832709.18867.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-28 20:15     ` Schone Mullerin
2002-10-29  5:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-10-28 21:25 ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-10-29  5:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-10-29 15:41 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-29 19:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1035924479.14908.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-29 20:57     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
     [not found] <mailman.1035870384.15595.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-29 13:42 ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-29 17:14   ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-10-29 19:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1035924328.7472.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-29 21:17     ` Schone Mullerin
     [not found] <mailman.1035438509.9019.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-24  6:59 ` John Paul Wallington
     [not found] <mailman.1035334713.26558.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-23  8:54 ` Joseph Kiniry
2002-10-23 12:04 ` Michael Hudson
2002-10-23 12:14 ` Piet van Oostrum
2002-10-23 13:01   ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-23 14:08     ` John Paul Wallington
2002-10-24  5:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-10-24 12:43       ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-24 17:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1035484120.27029.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-24 20:01           ` Schone Mullerin
2002-10-26  7:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1035620182.18482.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-26 14:39               ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-26 14:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1035645140.22359.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-26 21:41                   ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-26 21:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.1035672257.29530.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-27 15:07                       ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-27 15:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-10-27 16:14                         ` Piet van Oostrum
2002-10-27 19:47                           ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-27 19:13                         ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-10-27 19:53                           ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-28  6:00                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.1035737630.1161.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-10-27 20:08                           ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-27 20:33                         ` Chris Lott
2002-10-23 12:53 ` Hugo Wolf
2002-10-23  0:53 Hugues Joly

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