From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Source code, git and cvs Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 19:12:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87v8ee4sad.fsf@yahoo.com> <6HUp-C43ybkt5vDEYSO5olPY5eqIK3Xw5Kn6E4DSc3HFUj3bLOIE11VaP9iyglyC-jiQ7nIW4h4SFV58-fNOGZfGRRgc_SyYSscsdSfhLlw=@proton.me> <83mszq3bmx.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilae3899.fsf@gnu.org> <835y6e35iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg3q1ll9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6349"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 20 21:13:24 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMZ5Y-0001OL-0N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 21:13:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMZ4y-0008AO-Ov; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMZ4x-0008A9-Ic for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMZ4r-0001oy-84; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:12:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689880357; x=1690139557; bh=zZip7azDJb2hcW+biDJvywRP2R4BomPAJ8iMBTtAs6w=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=HQBf7J4GGpcdAPg1fmPbkfbW72vI0bK+CFzmQXLjoVSTRV6P5NqT96BQ0crUcNZ4F 8SUVSzWbrpP0eaLZF4plSNLn9taEfMsJ6IKP85ll86duqkVAwUZXW2s5sDAtnVTI1/ FAmoKSZiLcrcU+8+/X/8rdwDhq0GC2LOZBCrKlM3HMIgJwBSwvGNoskx/hDKl1/zAe GEPu9+1HOsZXLfoWEJ5fJnMWAIh4Cox0UCw2LJqTtryZ3Vz8KmY8yt6/lebbaUGXAB G4rAhZ+HAVylHS7CNiMjHD9opP0xyWYurp9AHrrShh19IXU1a/zXx+OqlIfz5FVM9U S+Idcif4XdHHA== In-Reply-To: <83zg3q1ll9.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.137; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40137.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144363 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, July 21st, 2023 at 6:31 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 17:33:41 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > > > README should describe both immediately at the start. Not just abou= t > > > > installing from the tarball. > > >=20 > > > We clearly disagree. > >=20 > > Of course, hide it and make things more difficult for new users. And th= en > > expect them to figure out things by themselves. And when they ask quest= ions, > > never be straightforward and give them the code they need to use. It is= their > > job to go through the ever increasing obfuscation of information embedd= ed within > > deeper and deeper levels of cyclomatic complexity. Classic example of d= evelopment > > malpractice. >=20 >=20 > You should stop your arrogant and rude remarks about project practices > that you just learned yesterday. It is not wise, to say the least, to > show your ignorance by claiming you are right even after you have been > pointed to your mistakes and stuff you missed in the docs. Yes, I am right, you are wrong. =20 > The README, INSTALL, etc. files in the top-level directory are the > result of many years of experience and many users contributing to > them, they are not just random text that was written yesterday and > therefore needs to be polished. It's already polished, so any change > you suggest based on 5 sec of thought is more than likely to have > downsides that were already considered and rejected in the long > history of Emacs development. Typical nonsense. =20 > You have ample opportunity to exercise some humility and learn (and > you have a lot to learn, believe me) before you get to the position > where you might "know better", and have the moral right to teach us > what is "malpractice". Suggest to use that opportunity. I just look at things how they are, so one can effortlessly navigate through the material. There is no need to be humble and I definitely have the autonomy to take action without approval or authority. I am certainly not bound by any requirement of external validation or permission to do so.