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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il>
Cc: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:14:08 +0300 (IDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.1020804080912.17436A@is> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <iluu1mb65hg.fsf@h133n1c1o299.bredband.skanova.com>


On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Simon Josefsson wrote:

>                               I think it would be nice if Emacs could
> take advantage of the work that went into libc for low-level non-ASCII
> manipulation, and into GNOME (GTK) for high-level non-ASCII display
> (e.g., bidirectional text), instead of re-implementing it all just for
> Emacs.  It doesn't seem very re-usable.

The display part of the bidirectional editing support must be 
reimplemented for Emacs because the Emacs display engine examines the 
buffer text one character at a time.  For each character examined, 
Emacs decides how to display it and also whether to examine more of the 
buffer.  By contrast, all the bidi libraries out there accept a buffer 
of text and return that buffer reordered for display.  Making the Emacs 
display work in such a batch-style manner means a total rewrite of the 
display code, and also loses over slow connections, which AFAIK we still 
want to support.

That's the main reason why Emacs development didn't use fribidi or some 
similar library, although people who (slowly) work on bidi Emacs are well 
aware of fribidi and similar efforts.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-04  5:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-20  0:35 Emacs Lisp and Guile Richard Stallman
2002-07-20  8:37 ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-21 20:15   ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-24 22:05     ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-25 18:07       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25 19:16         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-27 18:53           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-30 12:20             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-31  5:54               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-01 19:39                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-01 20:52                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 10:23                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 10:41                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-02 12:09                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 12:37                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-05 15:19                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-02 22:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-02 22:53                             ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 15:38                               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 16:15                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-03 19:35                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-03 20:33                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-08-03 20:40                                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 22:41                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-04  5:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2002-08-04 23:26                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 15:58                                   ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-09 18:02                                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11  3:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-04 23:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:10                                 ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-10  7:17                                   ` Noah Friedman
2002-08-10 14:01                                     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-08-11 16:52                                     ` Sam Steingold
2002-08-02 17:43                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-05 16:08                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:35                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 14:51                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:13                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:26                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 21:03                                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09  6:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-08-10 17:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 14:24                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-07 15:38                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-08  7:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-08 16:06                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-09 16:39                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-12 13:40                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-13  1:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13 19:17                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14  5:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:21                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-10 14:32                     ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-11  3:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-11  8:28                         ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
2002-08-12 17:05                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-13  6:58                             ` Michael Sperber [Mr.  Preprocessor]
     [not found]                             ` <ljr8h4803x.fsf@burns.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-08-13 22:47                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-14 18:50                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 19:53                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-08-19 20:54                                     ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-21  0:12                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-28  8:17         ` Neil Jerram
2002-07-29 17:30           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-25  4:22   ` Ken Raeburn
2002-11-05 23:28     ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-07  4:49       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 20:32         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-09 11:54           ` Richard Stallman

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