From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikhil Nair Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Screen reader detection broken [Was: Re: Windows Emacs and screen readers] Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:50:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120236321 6958 80.91.229.2 (1 Jul 2005 16:45:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 01 18:45:16 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DoOd4-0005xQ-26 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:44:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DoOlY-0006HF-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:53:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DoOl2-0006FE-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:52:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DoOky-0006E7-LU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:52:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DoOky-0006E4-Ir for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [82.68.100.206] (helo=dsl-212-23-31-41.zen.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DoOoL-0001Xk-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:56:17 -0400 Original-Received: from nn201 by dsl-212-23-31-41.zen.co.uk with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1DoOj8-0004O6-00 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:50:54 +0100 X-X-Sender: nn201@dsl-212-23-31-41.zen.co.uk Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40040 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40040 On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Emilio Lopes wrote: > [...] > Here is the documentation of the relevant user option: > > w32-use-visible-system-caret's value is nil > > Flag to make the system caret visible. > When this is non-nil, Emacs will indicate the position of point by > using the system caret instead of drawing its own cursor. Some screen > reader software does not track the system cursor properly when it is > invisible, and gets confused by Emacs drawing its own cursor, so this > variable is initialized to t when Emacs detects that screen reader > software is running as it starts up. > > When this variable is set, other variables affecting the appearance of > the cursor have no effect. > > Defined in `C source code'. Hi, I've now had a chance to play with Windows emacs, and, with this feature enabled, it works very nicely with JAWS (a popular screen reader). However, if it's supposed to be autodetecting screen readers, this isn't working at all: I had to add (setq w32-use-visible-system-caret t) to my .emacs. Although I don't really use it any more, I have a version of Window-Eyes (another popular screen reader) from a couple of years ago (as opposed to my version of JAWS, which is up to date). Emacs wasn't able to autodetect this, either. I hope it might be possible to fix this before it's released... Cheers, Nikhil.