From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Semi-unhelpful error message given when trying to (provide 'CUA-mode) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:44:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: References: <85u07keslp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148149358 21900 80.91.229.2 (20 May 2006 18:22:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 18:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 20 20:22:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhW5t-0006cW-Aq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 20:22:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhW5s-0006ZN-S5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhW5g-0006Yd-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhW5e-0006YN-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhW5e-0006YG-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [193.149.49.134] (helo=acm.acm) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FhW9D-00027t-Js; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:25:56 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by acm.acm (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00318; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:44:59 GMT X-Sender: root@acm.acm Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <85u07keslp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54881 Archived-At: Afternoon, David! On Sat, 20 May 2006, David Kastrup wrote: >Alan Mackenzie writes: >> In Emacs-22.0.50, if you try to load a legacy cua-mode.el (or >> whatever), an eval-after-load form tells you to set the CUA option via >> the menu. This is useful only to users who have a mouse and like >> using it. >F10 exists, and the menu bar is displayed by default. So the menu is >clearly intended to be used by tty users as well. The menu bar is stupidly displayed, yes, but there's no way to activate its items. It's just a waste of space. I didn't actually know about the F10 binding, though I do know M-`. >> For the benefit of other users, M-x cua-mode should also be >> mentioned. >I don't think this should be necessary. If the possibility of using >the menu is not apparent enough, we need to think about how to change >that, not how to work around it. I would resent being forced to use a menu; not having to use menus is a big attraction of Emacs for me. I know I'm not alone in this, even if I'm not in a majority. >Maybe the text menubar should display at its furthest right (if there >is still room, which should be the case in default modes) (if >that binding is active at the point of time)? Given that there isn't a working mouse in a Linux tty, it would be better not to display this space waster of a menu at all. (Personally, I disable it in my site-start.el.) >David Kastrup -- Alan.