From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Beginingless paragraphs Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:56:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1125606311 5155 80.91.229.2 (1 Sep 2005 20:25:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 01 22:25:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAvaQ-0003wh-G9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:23:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAveg-0002kS-2J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EAvWJ-0007BN-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EAvWC-00078F-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:18:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EAvWC-00074Y-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:18:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [193.149.49.134] (helo=acm.acm) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EAulK-0008Nh-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by acm.acm (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00578 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:56:37 GMT X-Sender: root@acm.acm Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42564 Archived-At: Hi, Emacs! On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > >Do we need one? Certainly in the Emacs Lisp manual we don't. > >It is a high-level concept used in just a few user-level commands. > I disagree most strongly here. Hackers need to know how to set up > paragraph-s\(tart\|eparate\) so that they can make the canonical > paragraph commands behave the way they want them to. >This is precisely what the Emacs Manual documents now. I think "precisely" is an overstatement. I'd find it helpful here if other people would step in and say how they find the existing documentation of paragraphs, paragraph-start and paragraph-separate. If others also find it confusing and obscure, then it should be improved, and I'm willing to do the improving. If, on the other hand, others can read and understand it without too much difficulty, then it's my personal problem which I'll have to deal with myself in private. -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany)