From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Dvorak layout except when modifier key is pressed Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:59:12 -0600 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196052040 4345 80.91.229.12 (26 Nov 2007 04:40:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:40:40 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 26 05:40:46 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IwVm2-0000RB-Bu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:40:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IwVln-00037I-6f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:40:31 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sysmatrix.net!news.sysmatrix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:59:32 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 28 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.45.140.14 Original-X-Trace: sv3-ixOf7gfLXjDkCctNNdhH2b2cQqmPFq/grpjUiAfNPfM9TY1h5Xxs95IR6aJeaA6N9mz/Jpxyog9gkVb!z7oh7IVaVth05zLFrxOFJqY7Ebsv8zplErLgPtvW1BsvUTwLmjSNU56aIhoOmhxAFpml4wgnkxaC!ipCYs5YotbaiZysnTBE3tW0pGsd8Ag== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.36 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154101 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49533 Archived-At: Vincent C wrote: > Is it possible to have dvorak keybindings except when hitting a ctrl > or meta key combinations? (ie: switch back to QWERTY in that case) > > Bad idea (imho). See Xah Lee's sensible suggestions here (and at associated links): http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html I think that if the developers could be persuaded to adopt even a small part of Xah's suggestions, that would probably go farther to making emacs palatable to more users than even the imminent conversion to Unicode in Emacs 23. At a minimum, find some way to reassign the modifier keys so that they are laid out (in a direction away from the space bar) in the order Ctrl, Alt, Windows, AppKey. The latter two can be used for super and hyper modifiers. I am using the Dvorak layout now and even with my non-Space-Cadet keyboard I can touch type Alt, Wind, Ctrl with middle, ring, and little fingers respectively. If/when I upgrade from w98 to 2000, I will immediately convert to many of Xah's keybindings (all of them if the developers adopt them). The most important, after the modifier keys, are the cursor movement keychords with Ctrl:(h,t,n,c for left, down, right, up, with the Dvorak layout). Ed.