From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: completing-read depricated initial-input Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 11:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 21 12:07:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o3anX-0000ST-G8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:07:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42986 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3anW-0007bw-7C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:07:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44710) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3aXQ-0002Rb-Lh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 05:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:47884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o3aXO-00008f-Cs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 05:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7706BFBF647 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 09:51:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1655805067; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=MvZgeQgJRJoWDqwt25Dro1i29p5FS0qE0EZN5BeeMHA=; b=vxXMfsy5UL9gAXCwqv3sE23/FVCxx4DaykhWMRU7xp+9AK7CNNvHWNX3YlDEX422 pXDiJE9+8wOkN3lPS3I1IZnYUzirhtdyZlNp8LSQ833SGKU46S2mKs18qgVi0KNXK8j 7ym/i4Wbvt/YpGAbGq8q/PSRC11jsgS73mBbxU7ZJhkoDSTPQcXPXK4XtM6XntCk1MB yMX83pz2I0HSRty2zUd1d1DprBFUcDFkBxbbw63LVIn9UExNMuFuf872Awea18uKvuU ApVFjLjQ/91yBUa24sv4DlX4qz4pE1Qyp/J3sb0aZQ64UFDaiaQW+vJnYuxzksa5aPd Kc2WODyWQA== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=carlmarcos@tutanota.com; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137952 Archived-At: Jun 21, 2022, 07:56 by help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org: > > Have been reading the docstring of `completing-read`. > > (completing-read PROMPT COLLECTION &optional PREDICATE REQUIRE-MATCH > INITIAL-INPUT HIST DEF INHERIT-INPUT-METHOD) > > INITIAL-INPUT states that this feature is deprecated - it is best to pass= nil > for INITIAL-INPUT and supply the default value DEF instead.=C2=A0=20 > > When do you plan to remove the `INITIAL-INPUT` argument from `completing-= read`? > I differ with the plan to depricate `INITIAL-INPUT`.=C2=A0 This is because = it is useful to immediately show a value when using `completing-read`.=C2=A0 New users do not usually k= now many keybinding sequences such as `M-n` to show `DEF`.=C2=A0 Besides th= e utility of having an initial value that is different from a default. Particularly when using `t` for `REQUIRE-MATCH`, it is useful to already ha= ve an initial value.=C2=A0 An alternative is to allow the first entry in th= e sequence to show up, but then continue with the second element in the lis= t when the user wants to traverse through the remaining options. For cases where `REQUIRE-MATCH` is `nil`, it is reasonable not to put anyth= ing in the user entry of `complete-read`. =20