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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283939 Archived-At: Jan 2, 2022, 20:36 by xenodasein: > Jan 2, 2022, 20:26 by casouri@gmail.com: > >> I don=E2=80=99t have any problem of adding it to core. I=E2=80=99m just = pessimistic about how many people are incentivized to push for it and agree= on things. >> >> Putting it on ELPA doesn=E2=80=99t stop from working it into core, I thi= nk. I don=E2=80=99t want to get into another 1000-thread debate about what = is the =E2=80=9Cminimal set=E2=80=9D. Many of the stuff in setup-wizard.el = are not easily agreed upon, but removing them IMO decreases the usefulness = of setup-wizard. For example, the =E2=80=9Cwizards=E2=80=99 choice=E2=80=9D= binding scheme, the option to turn off menu-bar, the recommendation of ivy= and company. >> >> Yuan >> > > Nah, I don't believe it will be too hard for this kind of improvement > to make it in, don't worry, unless you are trying to change default > key bindings.=C2=A0 :) > > As for this package I think it is a step in the right direction.=C2=A0 Wh= at we > should strive for eventually is a customization interface that does thing= s > like modifying key bindings, for minor and major modes, (in addition to > other stuff) + wizard + interactive tutorial, integrated. > To comment on details of the wizard, best option would be to keep it initially as versatile as possible, to test it.=C2=A0 I for one can't be su= re of my choices, by not being a member of the target audience.=C2=A0 Can't know for sure unless a number of people who has never used Emacs before try and comment on it.=C2=A0 (There was a witty name for them using reference to Catholicism, but I guess even that came to be considered harmful.=C2=A0 = Sigh.)