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From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: luangruo@yahoo.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es
Subject: Re: Motif support
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:48:18 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MratyVS--3-2@tutanota.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zgosm91f.fsf@yahoo.com>

Quoting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-12/msg02275.html
From: Po Lu
Subject: Re: Motif support
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:58:36 +0800

> "Nightmare inside a nightmare" is what happens with _every_ attempt to
> abstract between different window systems and toolkits.

That is why I am proposing something else, if you cared to read.

> Now that you can expect everyone to use FreeType, why not also expect
> them to have fontconfig installed on their systems?

You are still writing without reading or understanding what I explained
on this topic, so please do not reply to me ever again if this will keep
happening, it is a waste of whole emacs-devel's time, not just mine.

>> instead of jAvAschRiPt.
> Why is that so?

Why does Elisp exist? Please ponder, and do not answer.

>> It will make way for "Office" level decorations.
> We do not want "decorations" like MS-Office.  We want the ability to
> edit documents like MS-Office, including the indentation of
> variable-pitch text.

"Office level" does not mean the same thing as "Office like", same old
same old.  So you are saying that you want to do what Office does
without the same level of visual feedback?  I also want to be able to
move like a car without being one. :)

> Feel free to work on that instead.

I feel like what is going to happen is while working on a large change
it will become apparent that it will necessitate another one, then
someone else like you will appear and say that "We only want what
I want, don't do, change or discuss anything else."  Then the discussion
will become long and time-consuming, it will then get reprimands in the
form of "why are you wasting time talking and not producing cute little
commits?"  I hope I'm wrong but this is my impression so far.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-23 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-21 16:15 Motif support xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:58   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:28       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 19:18           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:51               ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 19:45           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:15               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 20:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:50                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:09                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:24                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:28                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 18:07                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:20                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22  0:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 16:39                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:59                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23  0:58                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:48                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2021-12-23 10:54                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:10                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:46                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 16:41                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:05                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 18:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 18:57                                         ` dick
2021-12-23 19:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 19:04                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 22:41                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:26       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:14           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:08               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 20:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 23:44                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-12-23  6:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:43                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:05                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:21                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:34                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:25                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  9:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  0:47             ` Po Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-23 11:37 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:39 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:45   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:50     ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 19:19 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:58       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:46           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24  0:38                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:17                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  1:24                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:37                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:06                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:24                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  8:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  2:20                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  2:43                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  7:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:46                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 15:05   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 15:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <878rwhbb91.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2021-12-19  2:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:14     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:35       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:56         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-19  9:12           ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:41               ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:52                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:58                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:07                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 11:39                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 12:05                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 12:23                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 14:15                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 14:27                                 ` dick
2021-12-19 15:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20  2:12                                   ` Aiko Kyle
2021-12-20  3:13                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  4:16                                       ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:43                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 16:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:01                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 19:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:59                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 21:07                                           ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-20  4:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-22  4:16                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22  4:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  3:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23  4:47                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:28         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-20 10:05           ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 10:15             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 10:38                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21  1:01                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-21  3:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:47                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 17:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:02                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 18:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:53                               ` Po Lu
     [not found]                   ` <875yrj1ro7.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-21  5:19                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]             ` <87a6gv1s47.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 11:09               ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 19:32                 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-22 15:58             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:56                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:46                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 20:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:21               ` Madhu
2021-12-23  7:24                 ` Madhu
2021-12-23  9:32                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:38                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:53                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:06                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 14:36                         ` dick
2021-12-23 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:01                             ` dick
2021-12-23 15:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:33                                 ` dick
2021-12-23 16:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:43                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 17:47                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:47                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-19  8:48       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-19  9:13         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:14       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-20  0:15         ` Madhu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu

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