From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, Larsi <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Development Speed
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:51:57 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MrNXhMd--3-2@tutanota.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvk0fz8ira.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Quoting: list-was-down?
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen
Date: -
> Yes, I don't think that's accurate. (But it's certainly the impression
> you get when reading emacs-devel, so it's understandable why you'd think
> so.)
> There's an enormous amount of maintenance work going on in Emacs
> development.
I have indeed read the 10% series, and the monumental effort speaks for
itself. I also see commits from lots of people fixing and tidying things up
everyday, it's great. My sincere thanks as an Emacs user.
I only know of the communication through lists.gnu.org and the TODO file
and I missed any large scale, coordinated plans to structural changes.
I do not mean to say those must exist; but to merely inquire whether there
should be any such, or if they exist or are they documented and can be
accessed without directly requesting comments.
Quoting: list-was-down?
From: Stefan Monnier
Date: -
> Regarding paying technical debt, we could do a lot more of it, indeed,
> but it takes time and effort and is hard to do without introducing
> backward incompatible changes.
> More importantly, we can't force people to do it.
> This said, I think a lot of the work Emacs maintainers do (as opposed
> to developers of 3rd party packages) is indeed just that. It's just
> that some of our debt are "too hard to tackle", so we focus on the
> smaller things instead :-(
This is exactly what I thought I understood about the situation, feels good
to have been able to send at least some thoughts through, from all
my gibberish :)
> ...
> If it can lead to cleaner code and/or better errors&warnings, I'm all
> for it, but I don't expect performance improvements to come from
> the compiler.
I see, that makes sense. Thanks.
> I suggest you choose your words more carefully: "excuse" above implies
> you think we lie, which doesn't seem like a good starting point for an
> honest and constructive conversation.
That wasn't my intention at all, apologies for any offense by mistake.
I am aware of my need of tone tuning; second language problems. I welcome
tips like this, please don't refrain.
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2021-12-19 17:06 Development Speed xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-20 0:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 4:16 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-20 5:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 8:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-20 14:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 15:51 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
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2021-12-20 15:49 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 1:06 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 10:25 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 10:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 10:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-21 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 11:09 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 0:55 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-21 12:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-21 12:20 ` Theodor Thornhill
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2021-12-22 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22 10:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2021-12-23 10:54 ` Arthur Miller
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2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
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2021-12-23 1:00 ` Po Lu
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2021-12-23 1:07 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 2:18 ` dick
2021-12-23 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-23 12:54 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 18:49 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23 10:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:35 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 10:50 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 11:05 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23 10:23 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22 14:41 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 0:52 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 1:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 15:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 13:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 13:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 13:48 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 16:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 17:02 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 0:21 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 20:21 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-23 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 17:35 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 19:53 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 20:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-23 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:07 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-25 5:22 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-25 5:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-24 1:33 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-24 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-24 14:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 15:21 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 13:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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