From: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Elisp terminology (was: Re: [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:30:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <LySD7OX54l9XPMaliKoqOCL3roUX6KbxGKBFYrmANMp@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3ukub8u.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> will need to understand or modify, so using a technical
>> abbreviation isn't a problem. Emacs already has abbreviated names
>> such as ⌜fboundp⌝ and ⌜fmakunbound⌝ for programmer-only things,
>> instead of ⌜function-bound-predicate⌝ and ⌜function-make-unbound⌝.
>
> And the recent trend is to deprecate such ancient usage, including the
> venerable `car', `cdr', and `cons'.
Look what happened when I proposed changing the names of set-default, setq-default, and default-value. They're misleading, but you and Eli say they're too old to change. IOW, bugs with seniority are features.
The names of car and cdr are even older. And they're not misleading; they're just archaic. There's both less need and less ability to change them than there is to change the former three.
And yes, the abbreviations ⌜cons⌝, ⌜fboundp⌝, and ⌜fmakunbound⌝ are old, but they're neither misleading nor archaic. I'm a good benchmark, since I'm easily fooled by misleading names and I have bad memory, yet these names don't cause me problems.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-24 23:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-22 3:44 [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely Kelly Dean
2013-11-23 13:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-21 12:11 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-21 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 5:43 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-22 8:20 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-23 13:20 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 14:09 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-24 3:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-24 23:30 ` Kelly Dean [this message]
2015-01-25 9:49 ` Elisp terminology David Kastrup
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-23 2:59 Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-24 0:41 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 0:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-01-24 3:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-24 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:32 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:30 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:03 ` David Kastrup
2015-01-24 23:24 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-25 9:16 ` David Kastrup
2015-01-26 3:52 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-26 8:28 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
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