From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58459: Getting a fresh emacs session with no customisation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:56:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3gN0Jqr94UeUj3xJtDV3zGvZVbUyjtQFAloYxrdvwN_ZHa3tEUYyFv8h3VcYYSk_gxgMaaBW94kAkaAUCgbd9QKZMkkYJBty-7XOadbzHHQ=@proton.me> <87fsfsc9af.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgdzc3vl.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7ufc1cr.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3940"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Phil Sainty , 58459@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 15:58:36 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyjM-0000nu-9P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 15:58:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49998 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyjL-0007a5-6G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyio-0007Vu-HM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:58:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35287) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyio-00033K-75 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyin-0006HX-QJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:58:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: uzibalqa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 58459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58459.166566944124086 (code B ref 58459); Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2022 13:57:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34364 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyi8-0006GQ-PL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:57:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40138.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.138]:46203) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oiyi0-0006Fr-RF for 58459@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:57:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665669426; x=1665928626; bh=6LmWTF15A38qsZ1EAAX8uBExV/kjRAwvvIyKmJz9cJc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=FgI7ePrGOqzZ9gwSSGPj2Nwgxi36QUKQ8F6FLUjHtP1PZaiMFa4DMIvSoXsPYTaOO l/Ymhz8QdSTyyfq0/ZRvj6zg8UxQsINdsax7a31XMSj/dCwpU30Rn1/es1MEwl1h/x GJPuqV71g5lWkI6Gfm4RPBaVIZI3HJfLlPNWQTTTSswEzlQgQB0i/gV5Blup17RfyS /yKZcqeD4jtZJAsXx2VE16NH/N0C4/GehR1t44vN7hhUZ0YaDDj7CCXoi9L7emT51B frWZPXK7QND0AX5kE+M0jU9tGmG60ykM8B3rVxV/6+4K5C50ygTSnPlWsjr0uh1M2d 7KDGripq6o07w== In-Reply-To: <87o7ufc1cr.fsf@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245305 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, October 13th, 2022 at 1:14 PM, Po Lu wrot= e: > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: >=20 > > But things are working the other way round. Things get messed up, then = have > > to figure out what produced it, thing gets too complicated beyond what = I consciously > > did, then emacs uses them. Does a user have control this way? Of course= not. >=20 >=20 > You have control: inhibit-x-resources. The sensible way is to have the user exactly specify the file he wants for = setting the resource parameters. This would avoid picking up settings that only th= e gods=20 know where they are, and what had set them up in the first place.=20 What could happen if the actual x-resource settings are removed from the sy= stem? Would it be detrimental to users in unknown ways? =20 > > My challenge in why emacs is taking authority from x-resources. Rather = than > > firing vanilla emacs with some properly defined face with good accessib= ility. >=20 >=20 > [...] >=20 > > If emacs maintainers are actually so smart, how long is it going to tak= e exactly > > for vanilla emacs to start using some well defined accessibility metric= s such > > as modus-themes, so that the maximum number of users can comfortably us= e it. >=20 >=20 > Take the complaint to the Trisquel or MATE developers.