From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Running emacs without any customisation Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:56:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87y1tmmmiv.fsf@web.de> <87sfjumm07.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14909"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 17:58:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHeJ-0003eB-C7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:58:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57378 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHeH-0004Um-QU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:58:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49612) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHcT-0004TS-Bt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:56:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]:40353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHcP-00075b-PP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:56:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1665503789; x=1665762989; bh=bFi/AoXi2wdVc025MMKPkvDHUEltKHAsTlvACDsQb1E=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=BkRSeNhK3mf2iiDzNBREPN53XIrr7fwt/0rpTkE9hmRbp2AjRnmWsi4AAg35xV8yY PJjukOL34hK4zkXX1l6JYG2j08K/JY/rmeiQ80yG21x/q3oEw194J5o7YdGjpsgqFd 2Ks1ViVbiXRywIb4rZZblQUTYNrySWj2FdrwnhJ7uFWsrG5iuyClhvUlYvXxfHeoNB 6JS4DOI5LOVpwz13iNpnHko/u2OIYtD/xnsJ2ljQJw5a3IXwIUQq/vCq7bL8TKeed0 mW/1M18ZtZ8UESngL44zzUSCH4L1urtDfxTviVx6MT79ZT7+Ml/EHBS8ym+VXGTCAr fsJNXvUz8M20g== In-Reply-To: <87sfjumm07.fsf@web.de> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.135; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40135.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139816 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, October 11th, 2022 at 3:13 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Michael Heerdegen michael_heerdegen@web.de writes: >=20 > > uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me writes: > >=20 > > > (custom-set-variables > > > '(savehist-additional-variables '(xepty-frame-pos)) > > > '(xepty-frame-pos '(34 . 34))) > >=20 > > Note that this can have side effects (like loading something). >=20 >=20 > Let me add: in theory, any kind of side effects (besides setting the > option variable as requested). >=20 > It is an error in a package if loading the package has side effects other > than defining functions and variables, recursively loading other stuff, > and these things, but not all stuff out there respects that rule. >=20 > That could be the case here. >=20 > Michael. custom-set-variables was introduced when users set their customisations. I= f there be side effects, wouldn't it be good that emacs handles them as well if the= init=20 file does not use them.