From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Indentation with spaces Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 18:43:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87fskezg7s.fsf@dataswamp.org> <1nSa0QRUilv-1bDwO14iTktsVVvkGK5Z4YmCRUQy2VEl-cydxtJo6_zDbkla_RGCnybukiWdu9YZaHdqGYOj9wsZArEK2AhrHk_ubYBrBYs=@protonmail.com> <87y1y4ke0c.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32637"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 10 20:45:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzjdT-0008HD-SO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58190 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzjdQ-0003o9-Fy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42480) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzjbs-0003lG-ES for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:29255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzjbp-0006kM-JK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:43:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1654886627; x=1655145827; bh=Srl6EjFZVicde+pM5TXdqZkrvojYUF3Bpg8E4g4r90s=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=UX6QXCmSq3WxICEIuVSQCEfFLQB8GCWFI+Udhp8Zb0vuwrQsPj/tWKsRO5/4np4Yf /Ik91huV4X306QQ8DchA+s4H4WU6EjWWZWLvlHhETP010ey4g9THM6MA+fRg454OxE c/TMFFg/MISbg6g38aJQaZmMxZyq/t4HL3DtCaK5b2FL0DiYcOfJZbCq9OJDnfBiL6 RNSmDxhyB7i0gZ+Rgku4xVmxGm5LayakcI148yXoxgvaCbKfQVQlcUzyjcLOdcxUFZ emIKPl/cN5hpnzhUdOSJMo67Y+9HZk8d2HHWAzD1OQp2UIenciUCoJxUBILBwDnWGE kbFaBfyZAZmqg== In-Reply-To: <87y1y4ke0c.fsf@dataswamp.org> Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.18; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4318.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137624 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, June 10th, 2022 at 10:29 PM, Emanuel Berg = wrote: > goncholden wrote: > > > Python is garbage as far as I am concerned. > > > It doesn't look or feel cool like Lisp but development is > super-fast. I think an experienced Lisp programmer writes the > typical program in slightly more time than a Python > novice does. > > It's the langauge itself, but also all the resources on the > web and everywhere else including source, Q&As, books, you > name it ... because of its popularity. > > I think for these and other reasons it's better than shell > scripts (it's interactive, or can be) and it's much less of > a learning curve (and again faster development) compared to > Perl and other comparable languages for comparable > applications and use cases that I know of. > > Lisp is cooler, looks better and might be more powerful in > terms of the language's expressiveness, other than those things > (which are important, no doubt) I think Python would win most > other Progralympic disciplines vs Lisp ... TBH! > > > The designers thought it would be neat to give semantic > > meaning to whitespace. Why on earth would they give semantic > > meaning to something that cannot be seen? Who thought that > > was a good idea? > > > It makes the code uniform from person to person in a way that > makes sense (in one particular "sense", the enforced one, but > still) - there are advantages with this both reading, writing > and understanding - advantages related not the least to what > I just mentioned, Python's one killer advantage, the > development speed. > > Trust me, I wrote a Python bot which is employed as we speak > working well and not crashing, and I did this very fast > knowing nothing about Python and even less about IRC. It just > happens with Python ... somehow. Have coded in Python as well. But as it has became mainstream, it has the = tendency that its design becomes prescriptive to many. I do not agree that "Simple is better than Complex". The design concept sh= ould be "there is more than one way to do it", rather than Python's "there = should be only one way to do it". For relatively simple tasks with quick solution, some python should do, but= I avoid it. > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/#sth > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal