From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:57:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83k09oz52i.fsf@gnu.org> <83h74sz4kh.fsf@gnu.org> <83a6ajzmza.fsf@gnu.org> <83r13vy4nf.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7258"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 11:00:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzwyz-0001mI-Jm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 11:00:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43522 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzwyy-0002di-7e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 05:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzwwb-0002cL-Ks for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 04:58:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.132]:54110) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzwwZ-0001c1-5c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 04:58:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1654937885; x=1655197085; bh=v5uaA2kcFM78fPoefyWJEjQzcZ0QfAR514y0alNB9no=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=FIMJ2lNhT5shMTX6awGU1TP61sdFmFLoJLGLfp/hsk5Az2wFqOieoJNq/AzI/5p2r M/1BDyGI8nP3cnwnkiIxktdBOkbiN9gfSdT4bUl6kmdrJikdR+lEsk6jAGXlxtBlBB ofa5Z5CUg0/rFdBWTHWBvCyJH4fQv+Nx7/4bxn0DrrzFU6dY/WWzt4wzZ6kQkIgNd6 VcEq45yFkjGQMLZcDLcktM21vSlZU4cWIh7zi95zqrkPMgavoQ659zKQKxO/Yx6Ddy qXyne/ZurKdS9AAcMRG82/WsfaPhMkIzW39Ce9fUolAPIb4F0NALcAk/OW1zFvBO1t RbTOuBcKGeYUA== In-Reply-To: <83r13vy4nf.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.132; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40132.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137682 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, June 11th, 2022 at 8:40 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:17:53 +0000 > > From: goncholden goncholden@protonmail.com > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > > You have complicated the customisation tasks compared to all other lang= uages. This tab thing also happens with other languages such as C with mult= iple tabs. > > > Other languages usually have their own facilities for customizing > indentation. For example, CC Mode even has an interactive command for > such customization, whereby you make the changes and immediately see > them reflected on display before you even decide the customized value > is good for you. See the section "interactive Customization" in the > CC Mode's manual. > > Different programming languages have different requirements and > conventions regarding indentation, so this has to be customized > separately for each major mode. Ok. But it seemed to me that for fortran I am limited on what I can do, where the original developers did not. For instance, how can I get the tab key to just make a tab and pressing it again to make another tab. As I can do with spaces. The comment about developers not wanting to move to Fortran 90 is true because I worked with them. Seen too many problems with old people at the helm. Not good at all. So great we all die in the end ! > > Have not really seen elisp code to do this. And for each supposedly sol= ution, a multitude other problems crop up. This is just so that I can modif= y some files. The experience is that customisations and a big effort in the= mselves. It has not been satisfying for me also, to end up with the huge nu= mber of customizable variables. > > > You pass negative judgment on features you didn't even seriously > bother trying to use. There's no real value for such judgment. As a > matter of fact, customizing indentation does solve the issues you > raised, and the assertion that "a multitude other problems crop up" > isn't based on any factual findings. It does diminish the motivation > of trying to help you solve these issues. > > > Just seeing things the way they are. > > > I wish you have.