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envelope-from=ajm@flonidan.dk; helo=EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142349 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen: >> Jean Louis: .. > Sorry to be direct like this, but what you are doing had been quite unfri= endly for a while now. Being the only one who holds an opinion is not an unfriendly act. The thread goes on because so many other people feel they ought to be able = to convince him. Just make peace with the idea that you won't convince him, and any perceive= d unfriendliness will stop. > You don't listen to [...] what people write. And the people who keep making analogies, instead of focusing on the Lisp f= unctions, are not listening to what Jean Louis writes. The thread seems perfectly courteous to me, but if you must critique the to= ne, try applying the same critical eye to the people that you agree with. > You don't [...] understand what people write. Not understanding is not an unfriendly act. regards, Anders