From: ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
To: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:22:22 +0000 [thread overview]
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> It is not that they are lazy, just like people who use a machine to do their
> laundry instead of doing it by hand, they use tools that have been developed
> without the historical constraints of Emacs.
The majority of developers don't like to mold their editor so much, like
hardcore emacs users mold emacs.
They may change the colors, the fonts, maybe some keybindings, but
that's it. They want an editor which looks pleasant and does most
things out of the box without additional tinkering.
VSCode does this well. It provides a great out of box experience, most
things work out of the box, or just a plugin install away. In case of
LSP it may also download and install an LSP server, not just a client.
Most developers want an experience like this where everything works
with minimal tinkering.
I don't think it's realistic for Emacs to compete with that. There are
the legal issues, for example, which I assume prevent installing
Non-GNU binaries from the net and not all LSP servers have GNU license
AFAIK.
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2020-04-20 6:22 ndame [this message]
2020-04-20 10:08 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-21 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21 2:09 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 8:44 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-22 4:30 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 7:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-23 3:10 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 16:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 17:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 3:11 ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 12:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24 5:24 ` Po Lu
2020-04-26 18:40 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 4:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24 2:34 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24 2:39 ` 조성빈
2020-04-24 2:42 ` 조성빈
2020-04-24 7:33 ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-25 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25 3:32 ` 조성빈
2020-04-26 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:14 ` tomas
2020-04-26 16:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:36 ` tomas
2020-04-21 2:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21 3:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21 4:44 ` chad
2020-04-22 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 3:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-04-27 17:50 ndame
2020-04-27 18:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-28 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30 5:58 ` ndame
2020-05-02 2:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 15:52 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 15:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 17:00 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 18:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 18:55 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-04 3:05 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 14:08 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-06 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 18:14 ` Nikita Mogilevsky
2020-05-07 2:48 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:25 ` ndame
2020-05-02 19:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:36 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 20:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 21:16 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 22:16 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 13:58 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-21 15:27 ndame
2020-04-22 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 14:58 "Why is emacs so square?" Drew Adams
2020-04-16 15:34 ` Joseph Garvin
2020-04-17 22:05 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-19 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19 2:33 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 4:55 ` ndame
2020-04-19 6:14 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19 6:54 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-19 7:22 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:05 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") 조성빈
2020-04-19 8:12 ` ndame
2020-04-19 8:21 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:25 ` ndame
2020-04-19 9:30 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 22:44 ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-20 0:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-20 3:32 ` Tim Cross
2020-04-20 9:54 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21 8:52 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:57 ` Simen Heggestøyl
2020-04-21 15:36 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 4:33 ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 6:33 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 10:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 4:53 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 6:08 ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 9:53 ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:07 ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 2:06 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 2:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21 4:42 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 4:41 ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 8:13 ` Sergey Organov
2020-04-22 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 11:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 7:04 ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 14:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 15:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 16:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-27 16:43 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 12:43 ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-21 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 1:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 3:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:46 ` chad
2020-04-22 22:52 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-23 0:12 ` chad
2020-04-23 0:49 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 17:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19 19:14 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19 22:50 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 8:16 ` Po Lu
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