From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: elisp's cl package. Don't understand the notice about eval-when-compile Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:40:41 -0600 Message-ID: References: <558fb909-6290-4c04-88a3-ad385d75f456@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <503a0896-cb54-4989-afef-2c59939d4052@d7g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <2f147e23-2e25-4cfb-885c-64d835993b12@y6g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238474468 32631 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2009 04:41:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:41:08 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 31 06:42:26 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LoVnt-0004ib-Js for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:42:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48842 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LoVmW-0000tr-2f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:41:00 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!backlog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sysmatrix.net!news.sysmatrix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:39:07 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 35 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.129.146 Original-X-Trace: sv3-sbM8H7GAUh/N/yStAlePCd5H7+y3OxKek5JIDrAcyM5EGeKWTW7TrMdVv2+QMTV/HNcawJKu3+YrBBS!8AknHCK3axO98N5CjoEKRxqoh+00RzlYRlAbY7590JbkSRynP5XhgTvBAVbJMZWg3Z0adLulBeSo!ZDxXVq4s4Ycg8sSbvkddJvV/+G3p4u0= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:168122 comp.emacs:98089 comp.lang.lisp:263848 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:63408 Archived-At: Xah Lee wrote: > Dear B T Raven, > > non-free, is misleading term for proprietary software. People started > to refer to proprietary as non-free, because Richard Stallman abuses > the words “free” and “freedom”, and as a consequence, people started > to call other software that are not compatible with his ideal, as “non- > free”. > > Despite the fact that the word “free” does not refer to price, but > proprietary software isn't necessarily restraining freedom. In fact, > the issue of whether source code is proprietary or non-public has > little to do with the concept of liberty. Richard Stallman's vision of > software is “free”, in the sense that coder community can freely look > at the source code and make use of it. That sense of “free” is a point > of view. As a contrast, proprietary software is also free, in the > sense that entrepreneurs and businesses can freely develop and sell > their software without worrying about some coder making copies with > minor or no changes put it out free of charge that robs their work. > > Xah > ∑ http://xahlee.org/ > [...] I think we'll have to agree to disagree. It's clear though that GPL'd software is freer since you may copy it and sell it for whatever you can get for it as long as you package it with the source code. Proprietary vendors won't allow that. And both of you have to worry about what the competition will do. Notice that the *About GNU Emacs* buffer mentions "Copyright* not Copyleft. This ensures that free software, like proprietary, is protected by the same law of the land. Ed