From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Is there a prominent place to announce user-interface changes ? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 07:40:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4edb2bbc0911060825l79804f09w100cea85b593404e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6ey5-0004ZK-G2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:40:13 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6exz-0004Y8-F5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:40:11 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45885 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N6exz-0004Y3-5w for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:40:07 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f228.google.com ([209.85.219.228]:64105) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N6exy-0005ra-MN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:40:06 -0500 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so1888372ewy.42 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:40:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4edb2bbc0911060825l79804f09w100cea85b593404e@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Torsten, I do not think that such a chapter belongs into the manual. The way I am doing this is writing release notes at http://orgmode.org/Changes.php Whenever a change occurs that is of the character you describe, the release notes contain "Inconsistent changes" as the first section and highlight this change. As for changes in the git repo between the releases, the only way to protect yourself here is to read the mailing list, or the git logs after pulling. HTH - Carsten On Nov 6, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm not long on this list so don't kick me if I'm riding a dead > horse. I noticed the extreme speed of the development of org-mode > (which is with no doubts great). Sometimes, long time existing key- > bindings have to be rearranged (at least I noticed twice on the > list) to make more space for the steadily growing org-mode > functionality. Always this create a lot of discussion since many > people familiar with the old bindings already even if the seems to > be sub-optimal now. > > I just wonder, would it make sense to add a chapter 0 to the org- > mode manual and/or a dedicated page at a prominent place on worg > which depicts only those key-binding changes from release version to > release version. > I just think about the changes which affect peoples daily work > directly maybe without warnings. That means from a standard > changelog, exclude new features, nothing about internal changes, no > bugfix reports etc.. By this way this list should be rather small > but very important for (long-time) org-mode users. > It is not enjoyable to find out in the middle of a "I just like to > finish it and come to the meeting in a second .... " time-frame that > things change during the last update. Emacs and org-mode make use > of 8 fingers and 2 thumbs without much visual feedback. Therefore, > most user use key-bindings in a heart-beating, breathing way without > thinking about it. Might be a good idea if there is a central place > to tell them to fight mentally for a while against there > subconscious or reconfigure it as they like. > > Just an idea. > > Regards > > Torsten > > BTW. I noticed that "[Orgmode]" is not added automatically to the > subject. Is this a feature or a bug :) ? I know from other mail- > lists that this is done automatically. > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten