From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:42:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <54A5E41E3FD446F590AA580D90C5B518@us.oracle.com> <56DF3F5FED9445EAB0C666DE0904BAC2@us.oracle.com> <87fxes5p4n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <7b501d5c0905260437l2a14fd21nd319f4eeb4e3d972@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-24-894036548; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243341941 8150 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2009 12:45:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tassilo Horn , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Deniz Dogan To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 26 14:45:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8w28-00082y-Oq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:45:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41322 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8w28-0004tz-6T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:45:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vyz-0003nL-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vyu-0003m3-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:42:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52396 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vyu-0003m0-4b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:42:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:45974) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8vyt-0008Ue-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:42:11 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4054092fxm.42 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=9Ct6QFFDT1VY/c5qUxUl6pO/f4W+D4VGl7ZvAMt3tGU=; b=rU9CZybw6JxHPZtFMF5sMbiZ6NRz98l+6vfV6NxzNiTvmcqr2qWf2vIT4dZvDgTZSO QI4KUIDv/PW0GbksfTcscPFpWaFrHVJAc80enFT3oTckAZu3vYS+JQv0jqU6s2cK3XXx Bku6g3iXTuvtKccjDpNtfPW9wNjmPdpHny7PY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=gZdvgHJpykpKevzC8c7FrgCUGyLsOxWDUHie7FQonBsVIvL46Ogytcju/DsUpSLItZ Wvj0W0PTO35Ki4rv5pwNjEQp06drbtEJgi37H2kCbYk76n6S9DCu3ZzbFjfwKPzUZJC5 ncPEwDj/kfPezvlh9759GavtNl5nv7IgbZwbc= Original-Received: by 10.102.215.19 with SMTP id n19mr4339125mug.100.1243341730070; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.1.42? (pool-71-162-19-47.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [71.162.19.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm1836859mue.8.2009.05.26.05.42.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 05:42:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111111 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-24-894036548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 26, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Lennart Borgman wrote: > I believe it might be better to investigate more how certain features > (like visual-line-move) should be handled under different > circumstances. Such circumstances is (as is pointed out here) macros, > but there are others two, like printing. And what about using the > affected functions in functions that might do the editing in another > window than the selected window? Rather than providing hooks so that the user can be trapped by the problem, diagnose it, find the hooks, and come up with the right lisp code (most users actually don't speak lisp) to fix it, why not turn off line-move-visual (and anything else of the "do what I mean" variety) during macro recording and playback? 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