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From: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
To: JD Smith <jdtsmith@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter navigation time grows as sqrt(line-number)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 22:20:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FDFDA940-417A-4788-9509-A0D0F4C630CD@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2112821D-6A84-4AE7-BF7F-D26B4463A419@gmail.com>


>> to go to the parent node from a child node, what tree-sitter actually does is go down from the root node until it hits the parent node. This process is linear to the height of the tree.
> 
> Do you mean linear in the width of the tree?  I’ve color-coded the plot by tree depth (i.e. how many ancestors a given node has back to root).  Or maybe you are thinking of the tree lying on its side (like vundo ;)?

Going down from the root node is proportion to the height of the tree, no?

> 
>> Also, getting the node at point isn’t free either. To get the node at point, we actually iterates from the first child node of the root node until reaching one that contains the point, then iterate from the first child node of that node until reaching one that contains the point, etc, until we reach a leaf node. So log(N) time complexity is expected.
> 
> I tested node-at-point on the same file, and it is quite fast, with worst case performance only 30µs (vs. 3ms for the full parent navigation), and growing very slowly, between sqrt(log(N)) and log(N).  Check the gist for a new figure.
> 
> Unless I am misunderstanding, for the common case of finding parent of the node at point, it seems the algorithm you describe could be tweaked to work well.  I.e. instead of "stop when reaching a leaf node containing point", just "stop when you reach a node containing point who has the original node as a child”?   This should give (hypothetical) “parent-of-node-at-point” the same great speed as node-at-point.  

I should’ve been more clear. For finding the parent of a node x, we stop at the parent of x. We only go to the leaf node when finding the node at point, which always returns a leaf node.

> 
> Then “parent-of-node-at-point-until” could do something quite clever: accumulate parent nodes all the way from root to the child’s direct parent into a list (same low cost, modulo the node storage).  Then run the predicate on that list (in reverse), returning the first match.  Could of course return that full list too (“ancestors-of-node-at-point”), for other uses.  These should all be quite fast compared to a full breadth and depth searching of every nook and cranny in the syntax tree that node-parent seems to do (having no positional information to wield).

Sure, there hasn’t been a clever version because so far no one have complained they can’t find the parent of a node fast enough. Also I doubt the amount of gain we can get with a more clever algorithm. You can try implement one and benchmark it. I’m curious to know the result :-)

> 
>> I’m not too worried tho, because IIRC the absolute time is very short. The 100x variability doesn’t mean much if the 100x is still very fast.
> 
> 
> This is on a brand new fast machine, and 3ms is pretty slow for things that need to run dozens of times per keystroke (e.g. font-lock).

Font-lock doesn’t need to find the parent of a node. So that hasn’t been a problem. In use-cases where finding the parent of a node is useful, 3ms hasn’t been a problem AFAIK. (Well, I guess indentation could benefit from a faster parent-finding function.)

> 
>> These are fundamental limits of tree-sitter, unless it changes its data structure. 
> 
> That is an interesting limitation for sure.  It seems that perhaps each node's start..end information can be really helpful here for winnowing the tree, when you are mostly concerned about nodes relevant to and covering particular positions in the buffer.

> BTW, https://tree-sitter.github.io/tree-sitter/using-parsers says:
>     • 
> A TSNode represents a single node in the syntax tree. It tracks its start and end positions in the source code, as well as its relation to other nodes like its parent, siblings and children.

I’m not entirely sure what exactly do you have in mind. A node’s start and end position doesn’t really help us finding it. Suppose you have an array of numbers, and you know one of the numbers is 3. How do you find the index of the number 3 in the array?

While the documentation say it tracks its relation to other nodes, I think it’s more pedagogical than factual. Behind the scenes, tree-sitter’s own node API does the same thing as I described: it goes from the root node and traverses down.

Yuan






  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-18  5:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-17  4:01 Tree-sitter navigation time grows as sqrt(line-number) JD Smith
2023-08-17 10:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-17 11:41   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 11:51     ` tomas
2023-08-17 12:21   ` JD Smith
2023-08-17 12:34     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-17 13:19       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-19 14:24         ` JD Smith
2023-08-19 22:16           ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-20  0:18             ` JD Smith
2023-08-20  0:39               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-20  2:01                 ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-20 12:40                   ` JD Smith
2023-08-20 20:26                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-22  1:41                       ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-22 21:07                         ` JD Smith
2023-08-31  4:26                           ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-31  6:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 11:04                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 11:42                                 ` Po Lu
2023-08-31 17:32                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 12:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 13:58                                   ` JD Smith
2023-08-31 17:49                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 19:03                               ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-31 19:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31 20:24                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-01  5:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20  6:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-18  3:00 ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-18  4:19   ` JD Smith
2023-08-18  5:20     ` Yuan Fu [this message]
2023-08-18 13:21       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-18 13:39       ` JD Smith
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2023-08-17 14:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-17 14:36   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-17 15:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-17 15:15       ` Felix
2023-08-18  2:49         ` Yuan Fu
2023-08-18 13:29           ` Dmitry Gutov

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